Bullying=big fail

Suzay

Member
When I hear about violence and bullying in schools it makes me sick to my stomach. The things 'kids' get away with in school, would have them arrested in the adult world and I think it's pathetic that authority figures think this is just kids being kids. I think kids need to learn this early in life, that invading someone elses personal territory whether physically or verbally they need to pay the consequences. Children go to school to learn, not to feel unsafe, hurt, and degraded. But what are we doing about it? It's called "assault and battery" and "harrassment", in the adult world. What makes teachers and other irresponsible adults think its ok for anyone to do this to someone, even if its from another 'kid'. If school is so important for us as a society, and I agree it should be, then why don't they make a good learning environment out of it? What if they were getting beat up after work, and harrassed and called names and spit on during lunch and by their co-workers, do you think that would be ok? probably not. It's up to us as adults to make sure that this doesn't happen. I think every school should have a strict bullying policy, its time adults wake the $^%#$^ up and start doing something. I know a lot of kids would be too embarrassed to speak up too, schools need to start teaching more in depth I think. If they can have programs about alcohol and drugs and how to always wear a seatbelt or whatever the else they think is necessary, how about bullying. How about discussing that only bullies with insecurities and prob. a shitty homelife treat others in this respect, get it out in the open so bullies would be the ones embarrassed because people see through them, and if theres a policy intact theres actually action to be taken. This is all so uncalled for. This should just NEVER be allowed to happen. They should be scared of the consequences so they don't grow up to be apathetic society wastes. WE don't need anymore of those. Bullying shouldn't be considered normal or ok for someone to go through, just because you're a kid.

And I just want to say that I know its hard right now for a lot of you, but it gets better, it does, it really does. School is forced upon you, education is really important. But you are forced to be around a certain group, and at such a young age you don't really don't know yourself that well, you tend to get judged quickly on what seems very important (but isn't) like how much money your parents have, looks, or whatever else because I guess thats all there seems to be in the little bubble called "school". This thought process just breeds insecurities. You start believing what they try to tell you, thinking you're worthless but you're not. That's why college and the "adult world" is so different, its about choices and freedom. And by this time, most people are 18 and have the law to contend with if they did want to start acting up like in gradeschool or highschool.

I think A LOT of adults take this with them throughout their life, thinking that looks, money, or status will actually make people like them because they dont like themselves and thats what they learned early in life. Thats not where true happiness comes from, always having to maintain and depend on someone else to tell you what you are. And for all of us looking to outside sources that is a bad idea because every person carries a past and why they act the way they do, and it doesnt have anything to do with YOU personally, even if you feel like you were picked out from the rest. Bullies will find someone thats insecure, that they're jealous of in some way, or someone just by themselves because like we all know "easy targets". They're just looking for someone to take out their agression, hurt, and ugly insides out on honestly. And a lot of these "bullies" turn into adult pricks honestly, because they still feel so insecure and rejected and can't be the "cool or popular" kid (if they ever were) and try to to take out their aggression somehow.

I just want to say that all of you are very unique (sounds so stupid and cliche) but its true. It took me a really long time to get to know myself, to see past the superficial things that everyone tells you are important. Now I know the things that I enjoy, my aspirations, what's really important to me and how I see myself as a person. No one can take these things from you, they are solid. It might take you awhile to get to know yourself and see yourself how you were meant to be seen, but you'll get there. Don't let this negativity get you down and don't believe what they are trying to tell you, because IT ISN'T TRUE. You'll overcome this one day and be better because of it. Be Strong!
 
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Cynic

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What if they were getting beat up after work, and harrassed and called names and spit on during lunch and by their co-workers, do you think that would be ok? probably not.
Actually, it is commonplace and is accepted as 'part of life'. Go figure.

I think A LOT of adults take this with them throughout their life, thinking that looks, money, or status will actually make people like them
They do.

Bullies will find someone thats insecure, that they're jealous of in some way
Bullies are not jealous of anyone. They bully because they can, and everyone admires them for it.
 

Suzay

Member
Thanks for your response.

IF it is accepted as a 'part of life' it's ONLY because people feel hopeless, like there is nothing for them to do. Do you think anyone would enjoy this? If there was a viable option for them to stop it, I'm 100% sure they would. Maybe the people who 'accept' this behavior in adult life, got the same as a kid and no one was there to help them. And btw, I speak for myself and a lot of adults I'm guessing here, if that even came close to happening to me I would sue the clothes off their back and they wouldn't be doing that again to someone else.

I gave a FEW reasons why a bully acts the way they do. Its not always jealousy, the point is how come you hardly ever hear of a bully doing that to someone bigger then them or to a group of people that will not take it? Because they know what will happen. If they are being admired by anyone, obviously those people have issues as well. I'm saying if you treat SOMEONE else like crap, it's because YOU feel like crap. point blank. A secure, happy person does NOT act like this.
 

Cynic

Well-known member
Do you think anyone would enjoy this?
The greatest majority of people enjoy inflicting pain on others they see as beneath them.

how come you hardly ever hear of a bully doing that to someone bigger then them or to a group of people that will not take it?
Because these people are equal or supeior to the bully and are more worthy than their target.
 

Suzay

Member
I know some people do enjoy that, as sadistic as it is, but what I meant was do you think people who are the target of it, enjoy it and thats why they 'accept' it.

You know sometimes I feel like I was pulled out of the friggin "matrix" and I see the world for what it is. What subliminal messages we are told by a lot of people and feels like all of society in general. Tell me what makes one person more worthy of another, please make a list for me. Because I guarantee if you honestly believed superficial things do, then you probably are very miserable and will remain so. I know I was when I believed that lie. People who think lots of fake friends (who you have to impress), clothes, money, looks, a bf/gf, whatever anything thats not who YOU are as an individual that can not change with outside cirumstance, will eventually be very unhappy even if they have those things or think they do. People age, time goes by, things/people/situations change, and honestly how many older people still cling to these notions? They know in the end, you can't take any of that with you. On your death bed "well at least I had a cool car and people thought I was good looking when I was young, even though I was a really horrible person to other people". If if you think you are "superior" today, guess what tomorrow brings, I guarantee you, you won't always be. You start to realize that none of it really matters, none of it has any real substance or meaning. When you start believing in these lies, you are basically saying humans are garbage and only the outer surface or how things appear matter. Only the "special" ones deserve to be happy. Just my 2 cents. I know everyone does not agree with this, but I prefer not to believe what society and certain people choose to tell me to believe. I think my own opinion of myself matters the most, because I have a brain, a heart, and some knowledge myself and I value my honest opinion. And I wouldn't take advice or suggestions from people I think are unworthy and not good people, who obviously have much to learn in life.
 

Cynic

Well-known member
what I meant was do you think people who are the target of it, enjoy it and thats why they 'accept' it.
I've been the target of it on many many occasions, and came to the conclusion that for whetever reason, superior members of the species have decided that I'm not good enough, and who am I to question? When antire social structures back each other up and treat you like a common enemy, then the sad truth hits in the end.

You know sometimes I feel like I was pulled out of the friggin "matrix" and I see the world for what it is. What subliminal messages we are told by a lot of people and feels like all of society in general.
You are what they would call a conspiracy theorist. ;)

Tell me what makes one person more worthy of another, please make a list for me.
That is for the higher echelons of society to decide. The more that the "authorities" (dis)regard you will determine who, or how many can bully you, how often, and how severely. Over 90% people just go along with their masters.

Because I guarantee if you honestly believed superficial things do, then you probably are very miserable and will remain so.
Do you believe that everyone that buys into the lies are miserable too?

I know I was when I believed that lie. People who think lots of fake friends (who you have to impress), clothes, money, looks, a bf/gf, whatever anything thats not who YOU are as an individual that can not change with outside cirumstance, will eventually be very unhappy even if they have those things or think they do.
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. The fact of the matter is that they choose to believe in all these things and will dismiss anyone who doesn't.

People age, time goes by, things/people/situations change, and honestly how many older people still cling to these notions? They know in the end, you can't take any of that with you. On your death bed "well at least I had a cool car and people thought I was good looking when I was young, even though I was a really horrible person to other people". If if you think you are "superior" today, guess what tomorrow brings, I guarantee you, you won't always be. You start to realize that none of it really matters, none of it has any real substance or meaning.
No, but while in the matrix everyone believes it, and we have to too, or face a lifetime of isolation.

When you start believing in these lies, you are basically saying humans are garbage
Whether I believe mainstream propaganda or not, I do firmly believe that human life is cheap and insignificant.

and only the outer surface or how things appear matter. Only the "special" ones deserve to be happy. Just my 2 cents. I know everyone does not agree with this, but I prefer not to believe what society and certain people choose to tell me to believe. I think my own opinion of myself matters the most, because I have a brain, a heart, and some knowledge myself and I value my honest opinion. And I wouldn't take advice or suggestions from people I think are unworthy and not good people, who obviously have much to learn in life.
I can't argue with your beliefs. Sadly they are idealistic, and will never become the real world. ::(:
 

mimi1988

Well-known member
This reminds me of when I was elementary. This girl would always try to pick on me. I guess she (the bully) thought I wasn't going to defend myself. Anyway, one day we were playing outside on the yard at school, and the girl started calling me names (can't remember what they were, though). The teacher was sitting RIGHT NEXT to us and could hear the girl picking on me. She said NOTHING! Anyway, the girl tried to push me, so I punched her in her face. As we were fighting I scraped my leg against this concrete bench that we were sitting on. The cut was so bad I had to end up getting stitches. I feel like that teacher was partly to blame because she saw the girl picking on me and she did nothing to stop it. I wish my dumb a** parents would've tried to get her a** fired or something.
 

no1

Banned
The big problem with bullies, is that even if you can physically fight and all.. fighting physically is obsolete. UNLESS bullies physically hurt you, it is purely on the conceptual/verbal level. If you fight someone physically who only messed with you mentally, even if it's by group targetting or by spreading rumors, and making people against you, and it DOES hurt you physically... you can't really fight physically, because you will have problems with the law, and people see any kind of physical fighting as juvenile.

That's where you would have to learn to use something other than your fists, and that's why it can be so hard. I guess u can learn verbal self defense?
 
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Suzay

Member
I'm sorry that happened to you mimi. That was very irresponsible, negligent, and just plain ignorant of your teacher. I agree, she should've been fired or something should've been done. Thats why I think its important schools have a clear policy so that teachers know what to do, be held responsible to report it if they see it, and don't just brush it off and try to ignore it. I guess some of them probably think well if the school doesnt care and have an issue with it, I guess I shouldn't either. Not intelligent reasoning whatsoever. Anyway, it sounds like you took care of it but you shouldnt have had to :( I'm very sorry.

Well Cynic, I can totally see why you chose that name, I would be too if that is true what you're saying. But just because thats the way the world works and thinks, doesn't mean it's CORRECT. I know maybe the way I think is considered "idealistic" and believe me I know this world isn't going to change. But its not all bad, and they're some good people that dont buy into it, but if all you see are the opposite than thats what it becomes to you, and understandably. There are no doubt a lot of dirtbags out there to put it simply. Its never going to be perfect, but that doesn't mean things can't improve and that you can't find yourself worthy, even if "they" don't, and not everyone has the same opinion. Not everyone has to believe what I believe in, or you or whoever, but if my thinking suits me and I agree with it and it takes away my negativity on the inside and improves my outlook and life, I don't care if it's isolated from other people's thinking. And maybe some people find temporary solace in the 'superficial' but I wonder how long that lasts and just how satisfied they are in life. But thats their choice and if it makes them happy more power to them, but my point in all of this is if you want to be miserable or happy thats fine, don't take your personal misery out on someone else because I and no one else should find that 'acceptable'. And just because some one bullies you doesn't make them superior, for cryin out. I could go out and bully a bunch of kids myself, or someone my age smaller or shy or whatever, that would make me superior because they won't call the cops on me or the cops won't arrest me? No.

no1, I think if you fight back though its considered self-defense, but you should definitely not have to do that.
 

no1

Banned
I'm sorry that happened to you mimi. That was very irresponsible, negligent, and just plain ignorant of your teacher. I agree, she should've been fired or something should've been done. Thats why I think its important schools have a clear policy so that teachers know what to do, be held responsible to report it if they see it, and don't just brush it off and try to ignore it. I guess some of them probably think well if the school doesnt care and have an issue with it, I guess I shouldn't either. Not intelligent reasoning whatsoever. Anyway, it sounds like you took care of it but you shouldnt have had to :( I'm very sorry.

Well Cynic, I can totally see why you chose that name, I would be too if that is true what you're saying. But just because thats the way the world works and thinks, doesn't mean it's CORRECT. I know maybe the way I think is considered "idealistic" and believe me I know this world isn't going to change. But its not all bad, and they're some good people that dont buy into it, but if all you see are the opposite than thats what it becomes to you, and understandably. There are no doubt a lot of dirtbags out there to put it simply. Its never going to be perfect, but that doesn't mean things can't improve and that you can't find yourself worthy, even if "they" don't, and not everyone has the same opinion. Not everyone has to believe what I believe in, or you or whoever, but if my thinking suits me and I agree with it and it takes away my negativity on the inside and improves my outlook and life, I don't care if it's isolated from other people's thinking. And maybe some people find temporary solace in the 'superficial' but I wonder how long that lasts and just how satisfied they are in life. But thats their choice and if it makes them happy more power to them, but my point in all of this is if you want to be miserable or happy thats fine, don't take your personal misery out on someone else because I and no one else should find that 'acceptable'. And just because some one bullies you doesn't make them superior, for cryin out. I could go out and bully a bunch of kids myself, or someone my age smaller or shy or whatever, that would make me superior because they won't call the cops on me or the cops won't arrest me? No.

no1, I think if you fight back though its considered self-defense, but you should definitely not have to do that.


I mean fighting words with PHYSICAL action. And that doesn't guarantee anything. Besides you can get into quite a bit of trouble with that, and people will look down on you because "it was just words".

Usually if something is on a verbal level, it should stay that way.
 

no1

Banned
the way to deal with bullies, is not necessarily by physical means. what if he knows martial arts too? I know a guy who likes to act macho and tough and FRESH with women. (apparently the women like his FRESHNESS, and such challenges, they think he's just a hot, young and virile man with "lots of testosterone") And he knows martial arts. Perhaps that's why he feels so justified in doing whatever he wants because he thinks he can kick anyone's ass. If I ever fight him I will fight dirty with him. I might get into quite a bit of trouble though. But you get me pissed off and that's what happens.

So anyway.. like I was saying. The way to deal with bullies is more complex than just by physical means. you have to be more intelligent than that. At least if you want to deal with it physically don't get caught and make sure he has no way of getting back at you.
 

LycraPantiies92

Well-known member
Bullies are not jealous of anyone. They bully because they can, and everyone admires them for it.

Well how do i knbow bullies aren't jealous of anyone lol ? ::p: They probably are jealous of some people..stronger people or enemies n that

People do admire them for doing it, people are scared of them so they accept them and let them do it..
It's what we can do that is a problem ::(:
 

no1

Banned
I agree with a lot of what Cynic has had to say, and I wish I could have said it all the way he did. Though I sometimes get the impression that he seems to support and agrees with all the negativity he speaks of. Or at least it seems he justifies it because "it's simply nature". It may be "nature" but we can still evolve beyond all that, and that's "nature" also.
 

no1

Banned
well I couldn't think of a definition up myself so I looked in urbandictionary...

"Fresh

Someone who is cocky, arrogant and a flirt. One can be accused of being Fresh or trying to get get Fresh with someone. This is usually when someone tries to get some physical action without permission first.
1 - Hey, hows it going? *Slides hand to 2's waist*

2 - Are you trying to get Fresh with me?"

aka "slick"
 
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Suzay

Member
No you're right, sorry I misunderstood. Yeh responding to verbal attacks with physical is usually not a good idea. I think in mimi's case the teacher wasn't going to do anything anyway lol But maybe a simple 'stfu' or a smile and nonchalant attitude works.
 

Supernova

Well-known member
The problem with bullies is you can't really win, usually they will bully someone to impress their friends or some other unknown reason, if you best them with fists or words you make the bully feel small infront of his/her friends and it just makes them more determined and more aggressive usually.

Then theres always the "he knows people" factor that protected some bullies at my school, because the dregs of the school know the 20-30yr old dregs of the town.

I read about something recently about how someone handled a situation, someone was drunk and says "are you looking for trouble mate" so this person started randomly talking about his holiday (vacation), he said if he said yes or no he would be playing his game, as to the drunk (or bully) it doesn't matter what you say hes still going to try it on, but if you randomly start talking gibberish they tend to think you are mad or crazy and people are naturally cautious of such people!
 

J_M

Member
Bullying ruined me. It was never physical, just verbal/mental abuse, generally being look at as a piece of shit. But I'm quite certain it's the cause of my severe AvPD. I really wish I had stood up to more people to tell them to shut the F up.
 
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