getting disrespected in public/not knowing what to say

I had a situation today where a co-worker basically questioned my masculinity because I was sensititve and cared about someone's well being. This person, in front of my boss, said that she hopes I have a little girl. Basically she was intimating that I am too much of a pussy to raise a boy the right way. It was very disrespectful and humiliating. I didn't really say too much at the time. Now, I am considering emailing this person to tell her how what she said me made feel and that she needs to keep her personal slams towards me to herself!
 

maggie

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Isawthelight said:
I had a situation today where a co-worker basically questioned my masculinity because I was sensititve and cared about someone's well being. This person, in front of my boss, said that she hopes I have a little girl. Basically she was intimating that I am too much of a pussy to raise a boy the right way. It was very disrespectful and humiliating. I didn't really say too much at the time. Now, I am considering emailing this person to tell her how what she said me made feel and that she needs to keep her personal slams towards me to herself!
i agree..a pretty disrespectful and humiliating thing for her to say! Pretty shitty that being sensitive was considered 'not masculine'..bah, some people are such jerks. Did it seem as though your boss was surprised or annoyed..by her remark?
 

maggie

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Isawthelight said:
my boss said that i have the people's best interest in mind. So, at least she stuck up for me, which I appreciated
that's cool..hopefully your co-worker took the hint..if it's still bothering you, i wouldn't hesitate to send her an email..as you stated..cause really, sexist, humiliating remarks can be considered harassment in the workplace.
 
maggie,
i agree with you that those remarks could be considered harrassment. I really feel compelled to email her and let her know (professionally) my thoughts. do you think i should let my boss know that i am emailing this person about it?
 

van_sp

Active member
If this is a pattern for her and you feel she is bullying you, then I would confront her. But, if this is a one time incident, I would let it go. I would try and use the situation as practice not to allow what others say, affect you.
Ask yourself, is what she said true? No? Then her opinion doesn't matter, and therefore I'm not wasting energy on this.
If we allow a scenario to replay in our mind over and over, we start to believe it.
 

Pitrus

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Drop some Pathos on her azz and she will calm down and even apologize.
I can already c that, "Im sorry I feel so stupid"
 

mike_sp

Active member
Whats mentally healthy is to let it out at her. dont bottle it up.

If you you keep it in you'll continue be angry and bear a grudge.

But if you let it out you'll feel better for sticking up for yourself and she'll know where you stand and give you more respect next time.

Ofcause, under pressure and in the moment its very hard to accually do this for us SA sufferers as we ussually go in 'shock' and cant respond from going blank! wahh!
 

charlieHungerford

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Isawthelight said:
I had a situation today where a co-worker basically questioned my masculinity because I was sensititve and cared about someone's well being. This person, in front of my boss, said that she hopes I have a little girl. Basically she was intimating that I am too much of a pussy to raise a boy the right way. It was very disrespectful and humiliating. I didn't really say too much at the time. Now, I am considering emailing this person to tell her how what she said me made feel and that she needs to keep her personal slams towards me to herself!

How can I say this without it causing any offence, because I am not meaning to cause offence, simply putting things into perspective. Well I think you are being too sensitive about this, what does this matter? Does this make you a bad person, an ugly person, a stupid person, etc, etc? What impact does this have on your life?

I know what you mean its unpleasant if people say something negative about us, but this is all of our problems with SA, far too sensitive and get hurt by any trivial silly comments. But why? What does what she said matter to you anyway?

This only hurt you because you have interpreted negative comments as being so hurtful and awful. But the reality is all of this is in the past, its irrelevant, it all soon will be forgotten forever.

The other thing is, why don't you take this as a compliment, there is a compliment in there, that you are a nice gentle person. We are all unique people, if you are a nice gentle person then that is ace. You have to expect a percentage of people on earth will say something like what this person said to you, but if you expect that there are people like that and what they say means nothing, then you can get on and not dwell on it.

So personally I think you would be wrong to email her, stop dwelling on this, its irrelevant, it has no impact on your life whatsoever.

Have I overstepped the mark and offended anyone for that?
 

LittleMissMuffet

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I agree with Charlie Hungerford.

I think that by raising your hurt feelings with her that you would simply be playing into her hands. She obviously has no respect for your emotions, so why then give her more of an opportunity to demonstrate this?

She is a bully -that is obvious. And it may be right sometimes to confront a bully, but the way this is done is important. For example, expecting that she will do the right thing, that she will atone -is not smart. If she had basic respect for you she would not have shown such a lack of respect to you.

I'm sorry, but I really think she will just pounce on you and use your email as a way of ridiculing you to a wider audience. -That is another thing: emailing is not a good idea, because people can use what you have typed against you.

This woman is calling you a woose and a whinger for being sensitive. What does being 'sensitive' mean to you? If if simply means a certain personality type and has nothing to do with being weak, then demonstrate this. If you think this thought completely regarding her and her attitude, what to do -how you should deal with her attack on you- will come to you. Your actions will reflect your state of mind and attitude regarding who you think you are. ....you have seen how she sees 'sensitive types'; but how do you see 'sensitive types'?

I am not deciding whether confronting her is right or wrong, I am only advising against emailing her (she will see this as your fear about facing her as well as that you are easily hurt). Confronting her may indeed be the right move to make -the question is what is the best way to effectively stand-up for your self and put her in her place. ....But you can allow yourself to know the answer to this question by thinking the highest thoughts possible -such as that you respect your sensitivity and do not associate this trait with weakness; and this respect for sensitivity confirms what real strength truly is ...and therefore you are confident that her criticism of you is founded in ignorance -and being confident means the ability to forgive her. Forgiving her means you are positive that she is wrong.

Decide who you think you are in relationship to her attitude. Think in this way completely and you will know how to handle her in a way that is truly assertive, without being either a doormat or a bully. This is difficult to do -occupy this very small place that is assertive.

Because thinking in this way can be very difficult, one way around difficulties is to use Mindfulness to help you. It is a way by which to become the Impartial Observer. -which is the same as being Assertive, and neither submissive or aggressive. Mindfulness helps when emotions are very strong and it is hard to get out of them enough to feel secure about where you stand and who you are, and thus to know then how to deal with a situation like this one. The basic description of Mindfulness is: notice your emotions and thoughts without doing anything about them -you can do this in your mind when you are on your own- and to notice your thoughts and feelings (about this person and how she has treated you) in an unnattached impartial way. Practise doing this as much as is necessary. And comfort yourself with what common sense and your heart tells you deep down.

forgive her first though -forgiving someone is what a person who is sure of themselves does. If you want to prove her wrong, don't re-act back to her, but act from a state of mind that is all about you being confident that her ideas about your sensitivity are erroneous and untrue. Forgive her and your actions will follow naturally to prove her wrong. Try to prove her wrong without forgiving and seeing through her attitude, and you prove that you doubt yourself and may believe what she thinks more than you should. -but don't worry about being hurt or unsure of yourself: being confident means not trying to hide the fact that you are insecure. Bullies do try to hide their insecurity -so don't be frightened or feel inferior regarding what she is doing to you.

Well, I hope I've said the right things....
 

charlieHungerford

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I think that is a really good post littlemissmuffet.

I totally agree sending an email to her would be a really bad idea. Without meaning to cause offence, it may appear childish and she may even tell you to grow up or that she is right - look at how you are acting to a silly comment. I am sorry if that sounds harsh, but in my opinion you are just like many of us are - stuck in wrong thinking patterns, taking things so hard when they mean nothing. So what if she thought what she did? So what? She is entitled to her opinion just like we all are, but what one person thinks does not mean its a fact. Some people will think like her, that is the way of the world. You cannot control what people say or think. Are you saying she is not allowed her opinion? For sure she is a loud mouth and insensitive, but people will make opinions on her for being like that.

What are you hoping to achieve by emailing her? To prove that you are masculine enough, to let her know you are deeply hurt and sensitive about what she said? To tell her she was out of order?

The fact is what others think of you about this is just not important and the fact is that no one thinks any less of you for what was said, what was said anyway. Its irrelevant and has no impact on your life, so what does this matter?

It does raise such an important issue that I am currently working on with SA - taking negative comments so hard and getting upset by them, I have been mega upset too by negative comments, but this is what is causing our problems, being hurt and upset over things that in reality mean nothing. Comments only hurt if you interpret them as hurtful. But the fact that they have no impact on our life and do not matter proves that to find something so hurtful like that is over exaggerated!
 

LittleMissMuffet

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Hi Isawthelight and CharlieHungerford,

It is tough to feel confident -especially when one is a highly emotional person. I continue to experience this difficulty with simply forgiving others when I feel slighted or judged by them. It hurts. And this means that it is hard to accept their point of view.

To be able to step out of feeling (hurt) enough to be able to accept the other person's attitude would be everything. It is acquiring this so-called 'Third Opinion' or the opinion of the "impartial observer" that is quite challenging. You can know your feelings and thoughts to be irrational and yet still be stuck feeling them and reacting to them -and therefore, 'knowing' does not equate to 'believing' such feelings/thoughts to be irrational.

I am looking into Mindfulness and how it is that this cultivates the ability to step out of our feelings (thoughts) enough to actually choose the better response to a challenging situation. I would like to understand it and compare it to what I have been inclined to do. .... in the meantime, I am practising Mindfulness and trying to do it in situations, because I've heard such promising things about it.

One idea that I do have regarding feeling judged and slighted by others, is that if I believed that others' (negative?) reactions towards me are simply a symptom of the same dis-eased mental state that I have ...what effect would this have on me? How would I feel about being judged and slighted now, if I believed that other peoples' reactions come from their own lack of emotional control? .....You may think that such a perception of others is a bit delusional, and that I am flattering my self that I am in fact not so different from anyone else. ..And yet, what if I am not so different to anyone else?

The truth of the matter is that perhaps half of the time, the social phobic's perception that others are judging them is actually in keeping with what is truly going on. Our problem is that we are very sensitive and therefore more concerned with what others think of us. Yet, this is an insecurity that everyone shares, even if they have less sensitivity. And, we could not feel shame nor get negatively judged as we sometimes truly are by others, unless we are in fact similar enough to others. People judge harshly people with whom the inner emotional difference creating the observed outer reality is in fact fairly small. What I mean is that small differences on an emotional level have the tendency to seem- and in fact become- bigger differences on the outside. And yet, the difference between the ordinary person with the average insecurity and sensitivity about being accepted by others and the socially phobic person -on the level that means anything, ie: an emotional inner level, is small. We pay quite a lot for a small difference -we suffer from prejudice and rejection, and in turn get more sensitized and fearful of such things. And, yet again, the difference is small.

So, therefore, why not include such an observation within one's perception of themselves and others? Why not say that people who judge me -and even simply those with whom I PERCEIVE to have been slighted by- why not believe that they are like me? Even if it is 'wrong' to believe that others have as big a problem with emotional control as me, with being as highly reactive as me, and with worrying about what others think of them as much as me -if I treated them as versions of me: how would this make me feel about them?

To make a basic connection between the bully and the victim -this would dissolve all my feelings of inferiority. I would recognise in others' judgements of me, the same impulsive lack of control and preoccupation with social graces and appearances, that I suffer from.

In short, seeing my self in others is fail-safe: it can only have a positive outcome, just as a connection between my self and others is always maintained.

Now, this of course is an ideal. -seeing no separation at all between me and others is ideal. It's not so easy in practise. However, simply thinking this way, taking such an idea to be the truth, has the effect of dissolving any hurt feelings or worries about my self.
The only thing is that a person would have to get over the shame of being different. They'd have to come to believe in the notion that the 'big separation' between them and others, is nonetheless founded on a 'small inner difference'. ( -by the way: this perspective on things is actually the complete truth and the only possibility!!!! ) In this way, what happens on the outside does not deceive them -it becomes illusory, and the inner reality of little difference between others becomes what is real. So when people judge us negatively, we could see through this big gap they create between us, knowing that others try to separate themselves from something ugly or undesirable but which is also closer to them than they would like to admit. And so they do not admit it -they hide it behind judgements and a belief of separation.

Well, all the above is very well and true. I still don't yet understand just how to get to believe such things. -but, 'Mindfulness' seems a good method.
 

Dreamer_15

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umm...well when this kinda thing happens to me in public ie someone humiliating me...i just tell them to shut the hell up or i'll do it for them :oops: :lol: so i think you should just leave it this time and if it happens again either say sommat to her face or email your boss or whoever to let em know what happened
 

FlirtyandDirty

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Isawthelight said:
I had a situation today where a co-worker basically questioned my masculinity because I was sensititve and cared about someone's well being. This person, in front of my boss, said that she hopes I have a little girl. Basically she was intimating that I am too much of a pussy to raise a boy the right way. It was very disrespectful and humiliating. I didn't really say too much at the time. Now, I am considering emailing this person to tell her how what she said me made feel and that she needs to keep her personal slams towards me to herself!


I wouldn't have taken it that way, but my interpretation could be wrong too. Maybe she thought that it would be good for a girl to see that there are sensitive men out there. If you are going to email her, don't go in all guns blazing as she might not have meant it the way that you took it. I personally would not bother.
 

katt

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Isawthelight said:
I had a situation today where a co-worker basically questioned my masculinity because I was sensititve and cared about someone's well being. This person, in front of my boss, said that she hopes I have a little girl. Basically she was intimating that I am too much of a pussy to raise a boy the right way. It was very disrespectful and humiliating. I didn't really say too much at the time. Now, I am considering emailing this person to tell her how what she said me made feel and that she needs to keep her personal slams towards me to herself!
hey yea thats really stupid of that person to have done that.i hope you have a boy..
 
i emailed her and it went great!

she apologized and assured me it would never happen again. I gave my boss a copy of my email to her, and my boss said that she also thought that person was way out of line for saying that to me and that my email was very professionally written! THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR RESPONSES!!
 

maggie

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Re: i emailed her and it went great!

Isawthelight said:
she apologized and assured me it would never happen again. I gave my boss a copy of my email to her, and my boss said that she also thought that person was way out of line for saying that to me and that my email was very professionally written! THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR RESPONSES!!
hey, awesome isawthelight!! i think you handled it in a very responsible, professional manner..and i know, it's not always easy for us to stick up for ourselves...good for you :!:
 

van_sp

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I think it's a great attribute to be able to stand up for yourself. But, before doing so, I think you should have a clear intent of how you will go about it, what you expect to gain from it, and how you think things will play out when the smoke clears.
You should ask yourself, "will the way I'm choosing to deal with this improve the situation?"
In this case, I doubt it. She will probably resent you for "telling" your boss on her and she will probably feel as if she's walking on egg shells whenever you're nearby.
I have some experience dealing with bullshit at work and I have never had to include my boss in a scenario.
We have to take responsibility for ourselves and our feelings. People are constantly going to say and do mean things to us, it will not change. The difference is in our choices on dealing. If we make ourselves to be a victim after feeling verbally attacked, then we are a victim.
When you are hyper-sensitive to what people say to you, you make yourself into a target. People such as your co-worker, pick up on that, and then have fun with you.
 
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