i don't want obamacare

^^^ But the people shouldn't have to pay the government for not being insured in the first place. Why should somebody have to pay for not receiving a service? The penalty is actually $90 or 1% of your yearly income, whichever is greater.


It is just like the tax they already deduct from your checks. You could say why should others pay for services you get such as unemployment, disability, and all the other public services when the time comes that you need them? It is a small price to pay to have the benefits and privileges we get.
 

Agent_Violet

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People should be required to carry health insurance.Our expenses are raised when people get hurt and can't afford to pay the bill. Same thing when people live above their paycheck and can't afford their lifestyle...it ripples down to ALL of us.
Personally I'm sick of paying for people who aren't prepared to take care of themselves and the babies they keep creating but can't afford. I'm glad they'll finally be held accountable in some way even if it's just via a fine for not having coverage.
 
I just checked out the website and got estimates for coverage. There is nothing cheaper than $200 a month. That's about 25% of my gross pay, and the site said based on my income, I don't qualify for assistance with paying for it. I'd much rather have a one time payment of 1% of my income than get essentially raped every month, unless the healthcare could somehow cover food and shelter costs. I can't afford it unless I go hungry or start living in a cardboard box.
 
It is just like the tax they already deduct from your checks. You could say why should others pay for services you get such as unemployment, disability, and all the other public services when the time comes that you need them? It is a small price to pay to have the benefits and privileges we get.

Because I might need them one day. I'll never need Obamacare or whatever it is.
 

Agent_Violet

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Because I might need them one day. I'll never need Obamacare or whatever it is.

So you already have a way to pay if you get cancer? a broken limb? injuries from an accident? An infection throughout your body?

If you don't already have a way to pay for those things then yes,you will need the affordable care act plan at some point.No one lives their whole life never getting sick or hurt.
 
So you already have a way to pay if you get cancer? a broken limb? injuries from an accident? An infection throughout your body?

If you don't already have a way to pay for those things then yes,you will need the affordable care act plan at some point.No one lives their whole life never getting sick or hurt.

I have insurance. "No one lives their whole lives never getting sick or hurt." Yeah, that's true. But I reckon if somebody wants that affordable care they can pay for it, if you DON'T, then why should you have to pay them for NOT having it if you insist on being uninsured but can pay for your medical needs? That makes no sense to me. If I didn't want electric power in my home I wouldn't pay the electric company for not having it.
 
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Bronson99

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if I choose to have healthcare and I get sick/injured, then I want well-paid doctors/surgeons with a balanced life and bushido-like focus with their scalpels to operate on me. not some stressed-out, underpaid borderline medschool dropout who gets paid crap to perform surgery because suddenly talent in the medical field doesn't exist anymore since the government socialized it.

It would be nice if there was something besides money that would continue to cultivate talent in the field of medicine.. something like having a desire to help ailing people, for example. Apparently, though, that is not enough...?
 

R3K

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i'm all for the concept of obamacare, I just don't think our nation is ready for it given the current economy and other factors. and it feels like our prez and his political backers just shoved it down our throats so they can tout around some kind of "success" in their pockets and snub their noses at their rivals. I thot this prez was going to be like martin luther king jr and stuff, like implementing policies to bring down crime and poverty rates...

instead he's throwing all these elite-tier utopian themes at us like everyone in the whole country was bristling with money and devoid of any debt. free healthcare for every1? paid for by young men and women? right now? when no one has money and no one can get and hold a job? I'd rather pay 95$ a year to have an extra couple of police officers trained and hired to patrol my town and prevent some thug from gunning me down for my cash. cash that he needs to buy groceries for his family because the government took all his money to pay for all these utopia-pushing programs and policies no one understands or wants.

at any rate... I stalled out on my parents for Xmas and they finally just sent a txt saying it was okay I don't have to drive out there again. i'm still kinda fezzed about the whole situation tho.
 

Odo

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I think the way it's being marketed to the public leaves it open to a lot of politicized criticism from the right, because it seems to me that a lot of people don't really understand what it is, or why they need to change.

In Canada everyone was actually kind of amazed that Americans were getting a national health care system and regarded it as a huge positive... but when I went to the website and looked at what it was, it was really kind of confusing.

I think that people would have been a lot more willing to accept it if they just suddenly declared that everyone was getting free, universal health care and meanwhile in other news income taxes are going up... that to me seems like the best solution to the problem and it would have probably resulted in a better overall system.

But you can probably trace the weirdness of the ACA back to Obama's need to please and the Republicans insisting that trickle down still works and Ronald Reagan was the greatest thing to ever happen to America.
 

nodejesque

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there's not an actual program of any kind called "obamacare"

there is a new law called The Affordable Care Act which requires everyone to have a certain minimum healthcare insurance coverage

if your employer does cover you, and you cannot afford an insurance policy on your own, this law mandates that the government provide you with assistance - either by enrolling in you in a government funded medicaid program or by providing financial subsidies and helping you find and enroll in private healthcare that you can afford based on your financial situation

(as a veteran, it looks like i will qualify for VA healthcare)

the other piece of the Affordable Care Act is that is forces the insurance industry to give up many unfair practices that they have traditionally used to screw the consumer and holds the entire healthcare industry to a higher standard

if the insurance companies wish to remain competitive, they will have to lower their costs and provide greater coverage - and in order to remain profitable, they will, in turn, force medical providers to lower their costs

the big business concerns that profit from healthcare are obviously opposed to this type of reform, so they've got their lapdog conservative politicians yelling all sorts of nonsense and calling people names trying to shake up everyone into believing that this is a bad idea

Well said, coyote:)
 
So, apparently there's a hole that I fall into- there are people who make too much to qualify for medicaid, but don't make enough to qualify for assistance with the "obamacare" insurance. The hole might not exist in every state, it seems some states expanded their medicaid programs, mine happens to be one that did not. In order to qualify for medicaid, I have to make less than about $7500 a year, and I have to make at least $15,000 or so in order to get assistance with obamacare. And I'm not even sure about the medicaid, that is the qualification for "parents," which I am one, but I don't know if you only qualify if your children need it as well, which mine don't since they're covered on their father's insurance. I wouldn't qualify for medicaid at all in my state if not as a parent. I don't understand why there is a lower limit on the income required for reduced rates, I certainly don't make enough to pay the full rates.
 

ImNotMyIllness

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So, apparently there's a hole that I fall into- there are people who make too much to qualify for medicaid, but don't make enough to qualify for assistance with the "obamacare" insurance. The hole might not exist in every state, it seems some states expanded their medicaid programs, mine happens to be one that did not. In order to qualify for medicaid, I have to make less than about $7500 a year, and I have to make at least $15,000 or so in order to get assistance with obamacare. And I'm not even sure about the medicaid, that is the qualification for "parents," which I am one, but I don't know if you only qualify if your children need it as well, which mine don't since they're covered on their father's insurance. I wouldn't qualify for medicaid at all in my state if not as a parent. I don't understand why there is a lower limit on the income required for reduced rates, I certainly don't make enough to pay the full rates.

That really sucks. They need to fix the law to cover the loophole.
 

bladeds

Active member
at any rate... I stalled out on my parents for Xmas and they finally just sent a txt saying it was okay I don't have to drive out there again. i'm still kinda fezzed about the whole situation tho.

Good to hear it worked out ok in the end :):)
 

Bronson99

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i'm all for the concept of obamacare, I just don't think our nation is ready for it given the current economy and other factors. and it feels like our prez and his political backers just shoved it down our throats so they can tout around some kind of "success" in their pockets and snub their noses at their rivals. I thot this prez was going to be like martin luther king jr and stuff, like implementing policies to bring down crime and poverty rates...

instead he's throwing all these elite-tier utopian themes at us like everyone in the whole country was bristling with money and devoid of any debt. free healthcare for every1? paid for by young men and women? right now? when no one has money and no one can get and hold a job? I'd rather pay 95$ a year to have an extra couple of police officers trained and hired to patrol my town and prevent some thug from gunning me down for my cash. cash that he needs to buy groceries for his family because the government took all his money to pay for all these utopia-pushing programs and policies no one understands or wants.

No sarcasm here: You understand complex politics and therefore have a strong brain for someone at your young age. Hopefully you are using it for academics. You seem gifted.

I have a reputation for snarky sarcasm around here, but this is not one of those times! This should be seen as a compliment.
 

S_Spartan

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So, apparently there's a hole that I fall into- there are people who make too much to qualify for medicaid, but don't make enough to qualify for assistance with the "obamacare" insurance. The hole might not exist in every state, it seems some states expanded their medicaid programs, mine happens to be one that did not. In order to qualify for medicaid, I have to make less than about $7500 a year, and I have to make at least $15,000 or so in order to get assistance with obamacare. And I'm not even sure about the medicaid, that is the qualification for "parents," which I am one, but I don't know if you only qualify if your children need it as well, which mine don't since they're covered on their father's insurance. I wouldn't qualify for medicaid at all in my state if not as a parent. I don't understand why there is a lower limit on the income required for reduced rates, I certainly don't make enough to pay the full rates.

I am in the EXACT same hole as a single person with no children! And to add to the insult the insurance that has served my needs since 2006 is being cancelled! I'm very upset about this! Why does the ACA have winners and losers?!?!? This needs to be fixed NOW but nobody, including Obama, seems to care.
 

Agent_Violet

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I have insurance. "No one lives their whole lives never getting sick or hurt." Yeah, that's true. But I reckon if somebody wants that affordable care they can pay for it, if you DON'T, then why should you have to pay them for NOT having it if you insist on being uninsured but can pay for your medical needs? That makes no sense to me. If I didn't want electric power in my home I wouldn't pay the electric company for not having it.

If you can honestly afford the thousands upon thousands of dollars for treatment of a major illness then no,you shouldn't be required to purchase it.The fine is similar to what an uninsured motorist would pay to their state as a penalty for not having coverage.It's to protect others interests and money from those who refuse to care for themselves.
 
Because I might need them one day. I'll never need Obamacare or whatever it is.

Some people might need obamacare and not other services. Why should they pay for services that aid others? The same arguments can be applied for everything that people are getting taxed on from their checks. This is the price to pay for living in a country with privileges. As Coyote pointed out, this is a good thing cause it makes it better for people to afford medical care.
 
I have insurance. "No one lives their whole lives never getting sick or hurt." Yeah, that's true. But I reckon if somebody wants that affordable care they can pay for it, if you DON'T, then why should you have to pay them for NOT having it if you insist on being uninsured but can pay for your medical needs? That makes no sense to me. If I didn't want electric power in my home I wouldn't pay the electric company for not having it.


I guess you fail to realize what the penalty is. Who pays for police officers, firemen, public schooling, money for colleges and the grants they give students, unemployment, disability, numerous subsidies, and more? Tax from peoples' checks that's who. Some of these people do not use all or any of these services, but you might. Why should they pay for you? Think of this penalty from obamacare as a tax. Don't want Obamacare? Fine, get your own insurance or go uninsured, but pay your part into the system.
 
I guess you fail to realize what the penalty is. Who pays for police officers, firemen, public schooling, money for colleges and the grants they give students, unemployment, disability, numerous subsidies, and more? Tax from peoples' checks that's who. Some of these people do not use all or any of these services, but you might. Why should they pay for you? Think of this penalty from obamacare as a tax. Don't want Obamacare? Fine, get your own insurance or go uninsured, but pay your part into the system.

I know who pays for what. "Think of this penalty from obamacare as a tax". The government takes over $100 from my paycheck each week in taxes alone, that's over $400 a month. I pay my fair share and then some. Nobody is paying for anything for me. As I've already said, I pay for my own insurance for my family and what the insurance don't cover gets paid out of my pocket. My mind will not be changed on this matter. "but pay your part into the system."...? I don't need a lecture from anyone about paying into the system. Do you pay your part into the system?
 
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