i don't want obamacare

R3K

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I know who pays for what. "Think of this penalty from obamacare as a tax". The government takes over $100 from my paycheck each week in taxes alone, that's over $400 a month. I pay my fair share and then some. Nobody is paying for anything for me. As I've already said, I pay for my own insurance for my family and what the insurance don't cover gets paid out of my pocket. My mind will not be changed on this matter. "but pay your part into the system."...? I don't need a lecture from anyone about paying into the system. Do you pay your part into the system?

...and, more importantly, who decides how much everyone pays for this system? right now I don't like the ppl who are making the decisions in that regard. seems like they're seriously just winging it?

and as I said earlier, obamacare sounds awesome on paper, it's just sucks for young, single, healthy americans who have to foot the implementation/maintenance bills to run this program they might never need.

in other news, this cute new girl I work with asked me if I was single and I almost blushed in confusion and embarrassment. I told her no, obviously, and then I asked her if she had a boyfriend and she said yes, hesitated then said well kinda. and I don't know what that means... so ya, now I'm confused and pissed at the same time :confused: :kickingmyself: :kickingmyself:
 

ImNotMyIllness

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...and, more importantly, who decides how much everyone pays for this system? right now I don't like the ppl who are making the decisions in that regard. seems like they're seriously just winging it?

and as I said earlier, obamacare sounds awesome on paper, it's just sucks for young, single, healthy americans who have to foot the implementation/maintenance bills to run this program they might never need.

in other news, this cute new girl I work with asked me if I was single and I almost blushed in confusion and embarrassment. I told her no, obviously, and then I asked her if she had a boyfriend and she said yes, hesitated then said well kinda. and I don't know what that means... so ya, now I'm confused and pissed at the same time :confused: :kickingmyself: :kickingmyself:

well kinda?.....She's basically saying that it really isn't that serious. Is she the type to be unfaithful? At any rate, it doesn't really matter since you have a girlfriend.
 

Agent_Violet

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I know who pays for what. "Think of this penalty from obamacare as a tax". The government takes over $100 from my paycheck each week in taxes alone, that's over $400 a month. I pay my fair share and then some. Nobody is paying for anything for me. As I've already said, I pay for my own insurance for my family and what the insurance don't cover gets paid out of my pocket. My mind will not be changed on this matter. "but pay your part into the system."...? I don't need a lecture from anyone about paying into the system. Do you pay your part into the system?

I pay $550 biweekly to the government..that's over $1,000 of MY money every month going to multiple services including the care of people who can't afford to care for themselves and have to utilize government programs. No one is paying anything for you? Try telling that to the people who pay more in taxes than you do.The people who pay from a higher tax bracket are taking care of services you use too.
 

Remus

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Something very wrong is happening with US healthcare. I lost a relative back in the 90s due to a disagreement with the insurance company "lifetime limit", my grandmother had to sell her house while the case was being settled in the courts, cancer medication and treatment was very expensive (and overpriced). Unfortunately my step grandfather (A former master sergeant in the US armoured corp) wasn't around when she eventually won the case. My grandmother is now ill with her gall bladder, she has insurance but guess what? They are pulling a fast one again. We are considering shipping her to the UK for free healthcare as she was originally a UK citizen.

Something needs to be done but I don't think obamacare is it. I think you need to have a National health service. It would make the private market have to compete with that.

This is going viral at the moment, a similar story: A 20 Year-Old Got Appendicitis and This Was His Hospital Bill

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Also food for thought. Check out this graph of expenditure vs quality of healthcare. US being 37th (bottom line) of quality of healthcare, France being number one. US spend almost double compared to others but with such a poor quality of care. Something stinks and I bet it's price fixing. When you consider lives are at stake here, that's psychopathic!

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ukmale

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I pay $550 biweekly to the government..that's over $1,000 of MY money every month going to multiple services including the care of people who can't afford to care for themselves and have to utilize government programs. No one is paying anything for you? Try telling that to the people who pay more in taxes than you do.The people who pay from a higher tax bracket are taking care of services you use too.



Ever heard of a sovereign wealth fund ??


Instead of governments giving natural resources oil ect to profile greedy corporations that money should go into a wealth fund that pays for things like health .. why should 1% of the population have 99% of the wealth why should someone have $40 billion while others no food to even live but maybe me having the "mind" of a so called "so******t communist" European that's doesn't sit right with Americans way of thinking if your bleeding out of the street dying you should die if you can't afford health insurance .. if your to thick to get a good paying job that pays well enough to even give you a roof over your head or food on the table and once you lose that job you end up on the street well that's there choice for being so god damn dumb for being poor

What is humanity when we spend billions on weapons to kill but not to even feed people where corporations make billions of dollers a yr where the environmental damage is destroying peoples lives people homes peoples work

Did you know large corporation fishing trawlers bleed somalia dry of fish so they want to sea as "pirates" to tax these ships when your starving to death your do anything for food
 

ukmale

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Something very wrong is happening with US healthcare. I lost a relative back in the 90s due to a disagreement with the insurance company "lifetime limit", my grandmother had to sell her house while the case was being settled in the courts, cancer medication and treatment was very expensive (and overpriced). Unfortunately my step grandfather (A former master sergeant in the US armoured corp) wasn't around when she eventually won the case. My grandmother is now ill with her gall bladder, she has insurance but guess what? They are pulling a fast one again. We are considering shipping her to the UK for free healthcare as she was originally a UK citizen.

Something needs to be done but I don't think obamacare is it. I think you need to have a National health service. It would make the private market have to compete with that.

This is going viral at the moment, a similar story: A 20 Year-Old Got Appendicitis and This Was His Hospital Bill

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Also food for thought. Check out this graph of expenditure vs quality of healthcare. US being 37th (bottom line) of quality of healthcare, France being number one. US spend almost double compared to others but with such a poor quality of care. Something stinks and I bet it's price fixing. When you consider lives are at stake here, that's psychopathic!

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I seen a report on the news on YouTube it was from American where they broke down the cost of a op there was a drug that wholesales at $0.75 and it was on the bill for $329 how is that right in the end the bill added up to $33,000

Do you know romania has a better healthy service better than USA usa is just above Cuba a 3rd country


Profile before people better to make money than to save lifes but oh wait im a dirty european communist to think like this really you Americans should start asking urself

YouTube again American asked the studio audience what should happen if someone was bleeding to death on road and didn't have health insurance people a few shouted out let him DIE!!!!!! wow why are Americans so me me you I no we us together we are all people someone's son mother father sister brother daughter how can you let people die like they are nothing but rubbish
 

Agent_Violet

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Ever heard of a sovereign wealth fund ??


Instead of governments giving natural resources oil ect to profile greedy corporations that money should go into a wealth fund that pays for things like health .. why should 1% of the population have 99% of the wealth why should someone have $40 billion while others no food to even live but maybe me having the "mind" of a so called "so******t communist" European that's doesn't sit right with Americans way of thinking if your bleeding out of the street dying you should die if you can't afford health insurance .. if your to thick to get a good paying job that pays well enough to even give you a roof over your head or food on the table and once you lose that job you end up on the street well that's there choice for being so god damn dumb for being poor

What is humanity when we spend billions on weapons to kill but not to even feed people where corporations make billions of dollers a yr where the environmental damage is destroying peoples lives people homes peoples work

Did you know large corporation fishing trawlers bleed somalia dry of fish so they want to sea as "pirates" to tax these ships when your starving to death your do anything for food

I suspect you're one of those people who is so self inflated you think you know exactly what's going on and can solve the economy issues with just a few angry sentences and misplaced indignation.
 

ukmale

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I suspect you're one of those people who is so self inflated you think you know exactly what's going on and can solve the economy issues with just a few angry sentences and misplaced indignation.



No obama care will not work .. American needs to break down there entire healthcare system its so corrupt and broken its a joke .your overcharged you have a life time limit if you get cancer you will hit the limit and there cut you off and let you die like they are wiping shit off there shoe insurance corporations need to be brought to book if a op costs $16k but they overprice at $55k its all profit profit healthy care shouldn't not be about profile its peoples lifes .life and death health should be paid by taxes and the cost of the bill is the cost none of these overpriced rates just to make profit

They dont care if you die they only want to make money profit and health care should never be in the same sentence its about peoples lifes
 
No obama care will not work .. American needs to break down there entire healthcare system its so corrupt and broken its a joke .your overcharged you have a life time limit if you get cancer you will hit the limit and there cut you off and let you die like they are wiping shit off there shoe insurance corporations need to be brought to book if a op costs $16k but they overprice at $55k its all profit profit healthy care shouldn't not be about profile its peoples lifes .life and death health should be paid by taxes and the cost of the bill is the cost none of these overpriced rates just to make profit

They dont care if you die they only want to make money profit and health care should never be in the same sentence its about peoples lifes

:brindis: Yup
 
I pay $550 biweekly to the government..that's over $1,000 of MY money every month going to multiple services including the care of people who can't afford to care for themselves and have to utilize government programs. No one is paying anything for you? Try telling that to the people who pay more in taxes than you do.The people who pay from a higher tax bracket are taking care of services you use too.

I'd likely pay that much or close to it if I didn't have 4 dependants plus myself.
 

awkwardamanda

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I'd just made that drive two days ago and I don't want to do it again. I don't like obamacare (paying 200 bucks a month for something I'm not going to use).

I heard the penalty is $95. Not bad if you don't want insurance you'll never or barely use.

But you don't actually know whether or not you're going to need it. Some people are at a higher risk, but illnesses and emergencies can happen to anyone. The whole idea behind insurance is to pay a small price instead of risking paying a large price that you can't afford.


if I choose to have healthcare and I get sick/injured, then I want well-paid doctors/surgeons with a balanced life and bushido-like focus with their scalpels to operate on me. not some stressed-out, underpaid borderline medschool dropout who gets paid crap to perform surgery because suddenly talent in the medical field doesn't exist anymore since the government socialized it.

That is extremely insulting to all the health care workers in countries with public health care. Doctors and nurses aren't just a bunch of losers who flunked out of school and make next to nothing just because they don't work at for-profit clinics and hospitals. There are standards in place. I'd rather be treated by someone who cares about the work they do and isn't just in it for the money.


I guess you fail to realize what the penalty is. Who pays for police officers, firemen, public schooling, money for colleges and the grants they give students, unemployment, disability, numerous subsidies, and more? Tax from peoples' checks that's who. Some of these people do not use all or any of these services, but you might. Why should they pay for you? Think of this penalty from obamacare as a tax. Don't want Obamacare? Fine, get your own insurance or go uninsured, but pay your part into the system.

I'm sure plenty of my tax dollars have gone towards projects and services that I'm never going to use. So what? We pay taxes so that governments can fund things that will benefit their citizens. Not every person is going to use every service and that's just the way it is. It doesn't bother me if some of the money I paid is used to build a highway I'm never going to drive on or a park I'll never visit. We don't get to decide exactly what the taxes we pay will and won't fund.


As a Canadian, I will never understand why Americans seem to be so opposed to public health care and why some don't even want insurance. I don't know a whole lot about this Obamacare thing, but the current system looks pretty broken to me. In Canada, the cost of health care is embedded into our taxes. People here don't get treated differently based on how much money they make. Sure, poorer people pay less tax and therefore don't contribute as much towards health care funds, but they have the same access to service as wealthier people. In a private system, that's the difference between good coverage and crappy or no coverage. Our system is far from perfect, but I'll take it's flaws any day.
 

Odo

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As a Canadian, I will never understand why Americans seem to be so opposed to public health care and why some don't even want insurance. I don't know a whole lot about this Obamacare thing, but the current system looks pretty broken to me. In Canada, the cost of health care is embedded into our taxes. People here don't get treated differently based on how much money they make. Sure, poorer people pay less tax and therefore don't contribute as much towards health care funds, but they have the same access to service as wealthier people. In a private system, that's the difference between good coverage and crappy or no coverage. Our system is far from perfect, but I'll take it's flaws any day.

I'm also Canadian and I don't think it's exactly the same thing... it's all complicated and weird. But I think it's still a nice try to balance out the wealth gap. The problem is that people are only thinking short-term and they don't care about health problems that they don't have yet.

Look at the people fighting over cheap Chinese flatscreens in Walmart and you'll see the same basic impulse at work-- they just look at the price and don't realize that in the long run, they're actually paying a lot more for an inferior product. Even when it repeatedly breaks and needs to be replaced three times in the next five years, it never clicks that they could have just bought a better TV at a higher price and saved themselves a lot of stress and money.
 
But you don't actually know whether or not you're going to need it. Some people are at a higher risk, but illnesses and emergencies can happen to anyone. The whole idea behind insurance is to pay a small price instead of risking paying a large price that you can't afford.

Personally, I would love to have insurance, but I can't afford any kind of insurance right now- as I've said in a previous post, I fall into a "hole" where I make too much to qualify for medicaid in my state, but I don't make enough to start qualifying for assistance with the "Obamacare," so I'm pretty much forced into paying the penalty.
 

ukmale

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Personally, I would love to have insurance, but I can't afford any kind of insurance right now- as I've said in a previous post, I fall into a "hole" where I make too much to qualify for medicaid in my state, but I don't make enough to start qualifying for assistance with the "Obamacare," so I'm pretty much forced into paying the penalty.


If you don't have health insurance what happens if say you get run over or get cancer
 

R3K

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I think the way it's being marketed to the public leaves it open to a lot of politicized criticism from the right, because it seems to me that a lot of people don't really understand what it is, or why they need to change.

In Canada everyone was actually kind of amazed that Americans were getting a national health care system and regarded it as a huge positive... but when I went to the website and looked at what it was, it was really kind of confusing.

I think that people would have been a lot more willing to accept it if they just suddenly declared that everyone was getting free, universal health care and meanwhile in other news income taxes are going up... that to me seems like the best solution to the problem and it would have probably resulted in a better overall system.

But you can probably trace the weirdness of the ACA back to Obama's need to please and the Republicans insisting that trickle down still works and Ronald Reagan was the greatest thing to ever happen to America.

this is exactly the situation. and it sounds cold but, Obama and his liberal base needs to be decisive and not leave himself and his policies open to dismantling. it's like his foreign policy posture- he's just a big softie. putin swept in and snuffed his so called "red line" Syria violation in one swift effortless meeting then went back to wrangling wild tigers shirtless in syberia like Obama was just a wimpy neighbor who needed help building a fence. Obama and his administration should have planned obamacare more carefully, and addressed the "you're gonna lose your doctor" issues from the git-go. it's natural for us americans to be grubby with what we got because we're proud mtherfkers. it's not right, it's not awesome, that's just the trend.

in other news, this cute new girl I work with asked me if I was single and I almost blushed in confusion and embarrassment. I told her no, obviously, and then I asked her if she had a boyfriend and she said yes, hesitated then said well kinda. and I don't know what that means... so ya, now I'm confused and pissed at the same time :confused: :kickingmyself: :kickingmyself:


well kinda?.....She's basically saying that it really isn't that serious. Is she the type to be unfaithful? At any rate, it doesn't really matter since you have a girlfriend.


ugh, I miss-typed... no is supposed to equal yes^... I am single, shit I need to stop putting posts up so late at night my eyes are fried.

But you don't actually know whether or not you're going to need it. Some people are at a higher risk, but illnesses and emergencies can happen to anyone. The whole idea behind insurance is to pay a small price instead of risking paying a large price that you can't afford.

That is extremely insulting to all the health care workers in countries with public health care. Doctors and nurses aren't just a bunch of losers who flunked out of school and make next to nothing just because they don't work at for-profit clinics and hospitals. There are standards in place. I'd rather be treated by someone who cares about the work they do and isn't just in it for the money.

I don't mind an eventual national healthcare system like ppl on here are suggesting. I just don't think we're ready for obamacare logistically, the way it's written and being executed. why is everyone telling me it's illegal to not have health insurance? that puts me in the mindset that I have to suffer a fine for not doing something the law tells me to do, regardless of my assumed rights, which are now apparently in Obama's hands. and while in this mindset it's only logical for me to be apprehensive of future, more malicious rights-infringing so-called-laws to be executed as frugilely as any ahole in the office cares to until iv'e turned into a complete mule who gives everything and receives nothing. that's my mindset in all this. I'm notsaying it's right, that's just how I think.

I know healthcare workers and doctors in other countries are as skilled or better than American doctors/surgeons. but... they're over there, and I'm over here. I don't understand doctor culture completely, but I imagine competition among most doctors (especially in the usa) is measured not only in terms of how they perform literally, but by the car they drive, their wife's jewelry, who has the best golf score. when I'm laying prostrate in a bed and I need a complex *** surgery done, and I have the money, I want a confident-*** doctor who went to yale and whatever-*** topnotch med schools for a decade and ahalf to perform on me because that makes me feel comfortable. even if a doctor somewhere else with a less extravagant lifestyle is just as good.

damnit, another typo... add "not" above
 
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If you don't have health insurance what happens if say you get run over or get cancer

I guess I just have a hospital bill that will take me the rest of my life to pay off. If there were a plan for about $50 or so a month, I could probably manage it in my budget, but the cheapest plan I found on the obamacare website is $200 a month which is out of the question for me.
 

ukmale

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I guess I just have a hospital bill that will take me the rest of my life to pay off. If there were a plan for about $50 or so a month, I could probably manage it in my budget, but the cheapest plan I found on the obamacare website is $200 a month which is out of the question for me.


American really does need to dismantle this way of heath insurance and let it just come out of taxes .$55k for a op $500k for cancer treatment then to say you have reached your lifetime max and to just cut someone off and let them die .break it down drugs that wholesale for $0.75 costs you $329 seen a break down of a bill $55k you really need to break it down and start again .health insurance is all about profit so where places countries like romania get universal healthcare its sad to see that corporations are so greedy they just want money and more money healthy and profit doesn't go together how can you out a price on healthy here I can get pills all the pills I won't for £6 if I'm poor don't pay anything but profit over people if its $300 in American I suppose you find a way to pay it or you die its sad so sad that profit comes before people

That guys bill that I seen online said he spent 2 hours in the recovery room cost him $7500 wow that's shocking

Sad corporations run American so you will never get your universal healthcare its like the private insurance companies paid off your president forcing the uninsured pay up and even if you pay up there find a way out of not paying up your bills when your in most need of it very sad indeed
 
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