Is Eating Animals Wrong???

MotherWolff

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The answer to this question for me is, yes. But what do you guys think?

Sadly, as I expected, a thread I had posted similar to this one has been seemingly ignored and forgotten.

Why is it that topics of self-hating, negativity, discouragement, and mental illness get the most attention?

People who post topics like that are not in search of an honest solution because they always negate the person who is trying to help them.

The truth is, those people do not want help.....I am not sure why. Maybe they are afraid to change themselves. Even if its for the better.

I guess Imma have to tremendously tone down my true, raw feelings regarding subjects such as these to avoid risks of infractions to being banned.

Anyways, I personally think its wrong that I cannot express such concerns without backlash.

It seems people are so set in their ways, they don't even want to consider the small possibility that eating other life forms is not a moral way of life, imo.

But what do you guys think? Are there any animal lovers on here who might even struggle with this contemplation?

Please comment. Thanks.
 
Argentum

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Everything is alive, and everything has come from or is a composite of other things. Just because it has a face that makes your brain recognize it as "similar" to you and produce sympathy doesn't mean its life isn't valuable, or that it doesn't deserve consideration as part of the world's flow and ecosystem. I don't discriminate between plants, animals, and forests.

I think it's bizarre that people will take to the streets to save dogs or pigs because they're similar(-ish) to humans, but not bat an eye at pulling up helpless green sprouts in their garden and tossing them aside to wither like they mean nothing because they have no eyes, no voice, and do not walk.
 
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Megaten

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Morally wrong? Id say no. If we should stop eating animals then we should also stop them from eating each other. After all we are animals too. Now if it's for health reasons or to protect the environmenrt that's a different argument. My biggest problem with eating other animals is how we treat them beforehand. We push them through factories in crappy conditions and make things harsher than it would have been if we just caught them in the wild.
 
MotherWolff

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Argentum said:
Everything is alive, and everything has come from or is a composite of other things. Just because it has a face that makes your brain recognize it as "similar" to you and produce sympathy doesn't mean its life isn't valuable, or that it doesn't deserve consideration as part of the world's flow and ecosystem. I don't discriminate between plants, animals, and forests.

I think it's bizarre that people will take to the streets to save dogs or pigs because they're similar(-ish) to humans, but not bat an eye at pulling up helpless green sprouts in their garden and tossing them aside to wither like they mean nothing because they have no eyes, no voice, and do not walk.
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Wow. I was not expecting such a profound input on this subject. Thank you, Argentum.

I find it interesting that even Jehova God is against the destruction of plantlife and tress. Yet, so called Christians poke fun at "tree huggers" as they like to call people who admire trees.

In the Book of Isaiah in The Holy Bible, God tells prophet Isaiah that the trees of his Glory in the forests will be cut down and "children will write on them," which has certainly come to past.

That right there really is something to ponder on.:thinking:
 
Remus

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No it isn't but maltreatment of animals be it pets or prey is disgusting. I eat welfare organic sourced meat for that reason. Pricey but fair.
 
MotherWolff

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Remus said:
No it isn't but maltreatment of animals be it pets or prey is disgusting. I eat welfare organic sourced meat for that reason. Pricey but fair.
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Have you ever seen those horrific slaughter house videos on youtube?

If you haven't, please do so. These animals are HORRIFYINGLY mistreated and tortured before they die.

For example, many of these animals as well as animals used in experiments are forced to endure **** electrocution.

Go on youtube right now and watch those sons of guns scientists shocking a poor lil kitten's *** and tell me you don't cry.

I burst into tears. And I don't cry much.

The bone marrow biopsy I had in 2010 is NOTHING compared to the agony and suffering these animals face for our benefit.

A good documentary to watch is Earthlings: Make The Connection.

Be careful when searching for this sort of subject matter. Its quite disturbing.:eek::eek::eek:
 
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Deco

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I prefer to eat sea fish for the reasons Megaten mentioned.
Not only are many farm animals mistreated but all the toxic food, rations and other poisons they inject on them. I used to like foie gras paste, but I couldn't eat it anymore after I saw how they treat the geese.
 
Remus

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MotherWolff said:
Have you ever seen those horrific slaughter house videos on youtube?

If you haven't, please do so. These animals are HORRIFYINGLY mistreated and tortured before they die.
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Yes I have, hence sourced meat (farm and abattoir).
 
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NamiraWilhelm

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From a welfare stand point? Probably. There are sources where the animals are treated well, but unfortunately I'm not in a position to afford them, so I rarely eat it. I worked at a lovely organic sheep farm for a little while, but I suppose even then you don't know how they're treated at the slaughter house.

I think people don't bother posting in these topics because they're effectively booby trapped. 'What's your opinion? Well I think you're wrong so I'm going to make you feel awful about it.' Is usually what happens. We all know there are horrid elements to it.
 
MotherWolff

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Deco said:
I prefer to eat sea fish for the reasons Megaten mentioned.
Not only are many farm animals mistreated but all the toxic food, rations and other poisons they inject on them. I used to like foie gras paste, but I couldn't eat it anymore after I saw how they treat the geese.
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Yeah, yeah! Finally, SOMEBODY else who kinda agrees with me!:applause:

But yeah, everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion.

You stated absolute fact there, however, Deco.:)

I wonder if people who actually murder these animals have any cent of humanity left in them?:question:

Also, its funny how people on here just do not seem to see the connection between poor, high-protein diets from animal flesh and good, adequate-protein diets from vegetables and fruits.

Those poor diets are powerful enough to contribute to much of the mental illnesses people suffer from.

Even when people like me try to tell them that, they just shun me and say I am wrong without stating an argumentative fact, but instead an argumentative opinion.

I don't think people are supposed to eat animals. While you are entitled to eat whatever you damn well please, do understand that high animal protein contributes to poisons and diseases.

But Deco, I do favor what you said. But I do not eat sea life either.

Many of them are scavengers like pigs are and eat ANYTHING.

So whatever they eat will go inside of the person who eats them.

No wonder Americans are so very sick.:eek:mg:
 
Metal_isthe_Answer

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I dont think its really wrong to eat meat, but the way the animals are treated can be very inhumane. For the most part my diet is pretty vegetarian friendly, I do add a little chicken to some foods, but I usually eat pastas, rice, vegetables etc.. I wouldnt call myself a vegetarian since I dont see anything wrong with eating meat, but it wouldnt be too hard for me to be one either.
 
MotherWolff

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Metal_isthe_Answer said:
I dont think its really wrong to eat meat, but the way the animals are treated can be very inhumane. For the most part my diet is pretty vegetarian friendly, I do add a little chicken to some foods, but I usually eat pastas, rice, vegetables etc.. I wouldnt call myself a vegetarian since I dont see anything wrong with eating meat, but it wouldnt be too hard for me to be one either.
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That's the problem. The animals are tortured and humiliated beyond belief.

I wouldn't be as upset with this if the slaughter house workers slayed the animal painlessly with anesthesia. I do respect your diet. I also respect the fact that you can obviously see how terrifying the treatment of animals are.

Even animals used for our entertainment are abused, as they are under a slave-master relationship with their trainers.

Anyone ever heard, that the movie Life of PI had animal abuse behind the scenes going on?

Even movies support the abuse of animals, even if they say "no animals were harmed during the making of this film."

They are lying straight thru they teeth!:thumbdown:
 
Ithior

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If eating animals is wrong, why isn't eating plants wrong? It's not clear whether plants feel pain or not but they have an equivalent of screaming, though we can't hear it. Still, if they did feel pain, you'd have almost nothing to eat.
I think it's ok to eat animals, just like animals eat other animals and plants. I do think that some animals could be treated in more humane conditions though.
 
MotherWolff

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Ithior said:
If eating animals is wrong, why isn't eating plants wrong? It's not clear whether plants feel pain or not but they have an equivalent of screaming, though we can't hear it. Still, if they did feel pain, you'd have almost nothing to eat.
I think it's ok to eat animals, just like animals eat other animals and plants. I do think that some animals could be treated in more humane conditions though.
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I don't agree with this all the way. But I think it is right to be more humane to animals.

And I don't know why people liken humans to animals.

I guess that is why its okay to twerk, lol.

Anyways, maybe I feel stronger about not eating animals than produce because animals eat produce too and these are the animals that live the longest. So what about that?

And produce doesn't seem to suffer like animals.

Its so horrific to watch them get murdered. Ever say a cow get its neck pierced/slit and the murderous slaughter house workers just let the blood run out like a waterfall while the cow is still conscious breathing for air as its tongue hangs out!?

No produce can harm us the way animal flesh does, unless perhaps you are allergic to this.

But I must say that I rather dislike the chopping down of trees.
 
Remus

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MotherWolff said:
Also, its funny how people on here just do not seem to see the connection between poor, high-protein diets from animal flesh and good, adequate-protein diets from vegetables and fruits.

Those poor diets are powerful enough to contribute to much of the mental illnesses people suffer from.
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I'm on the paleo diet myself. No processed food, no gluten, legumes, grains or dairy. A lot of fresh vegetables and berries and some meat and fish. It certainly has helped my mental health, though I was on the diet for a physical condition, my overall health has vastly improved.
 
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MotherWolff

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Remus said:
I'm on the paleo diet myself. No processed food, no gluten, legumes, grains or dairy. A lot of fresh vegetables and berries and some meat and fish. It certainly has helped my mental health, though I was on the diet for a physical condition, my overall health has vastly improved.
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That's great, Remus!:thumbup:

Its nice to hear positive input around here for a change.:)

I honestly believe the paleo diet works, although I am vegan and have never tried it.

But it works for you and that is what counts.

Your awesome!:bigsmile:
 
LazyHermitCrab

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I'm not a vegetarian but I don't eat a lot of meat. I like to keep things more natural like no gmos, or chemicals, and things like that
 
MotherWolff

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LazyHermitCrab said:
I'm not a vegetarian but I don't eat a lot of meat. I like to keep things more natural like no gmos, or chemicals, and things like that
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Yeah, LHC, GMOs are the worst. What baffles me is how GMO-contaminated produce are much too often crossed with actual animal DNA(fish with tomatoes??:eek:). Its like some Island of Dr. Marrow -type shit! Crazy mad scientists....:crying:
 
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