You don't understand to escape, truely escape the pain and misery of life you must be forever beyound the reach of god and devil (they are one and the same) and you can only achieve that by being uncreated.
I do, at least as much one can understand it while living anyway. Quite simply there is no easy way out in this system, one cannot simply cease to exist without the very creator having his way with you, he is life, we are born in life and ect. Who are we to make judgement on the very essence that is life?
As for beyond death? There is no sufferering, there is only the dark and uneventful unconsciousness, no memory, no thinking. But its not the end. The thing to remember about God, or life for that matter, is its primary attribute. And that (prehaps cheesy in our current state of society for some) is love, and no loving creature will ever wrought eternal sufferering apon their own children.
You or anyone does not want to simply un-exsist indefinitely. You may feel so at times, as many people, but its NOT what you want its not what life is. I understand the want and will for oblivion, and I have came to know it is not, but rather the want and will for difference for within... the spirit/life refuses and strives against where as our minds and heart are fickle in the face of anguish.
Masamune your first quotation is mostly correct from my POV, death is sleep not finality and within it we become perfectly oblivious and yet it is not full out oblivion. And yes heh those dreams are all too common for me, waking up and hating exisitance, wishing to just be realeased from consiousness ect. Not sure about the second one however... it is true that depravity and overly lengthy entertainment primary is used for those seeking escape.
Also Dorian, there is much to live for it is just a matter of being shown what is so great about it. It is my knowledge MANY people have yet to see things in a certain light, a light that is both inspiring and strengthening at the same time. Finally it is not your life to take. (example. what if you was to murder? Suicide is essentially the same thing. Disregard for life).
[Unrelated but im sorry if any replies are slow from me, im in one of those sleep deprived/depressive cycles that I get all to often, laughable because its brought on by denying ignorance. Simply put, things previously mundane have an all so terrible look about them when brought into the light (society). Its a bad habit anyway, I get too worked up other things at times and it brings me down.]
_________________ Intellectual honesty is characterized by a readiness to scrutinize what one believes to be true, and to pay sufficient attention to other evidence available
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: if only??
if only i could disapper. i face so many hardships i long for the day it all ends. they gave me six months, but thats still to much.everyday its more misery and upset. i just wish it would stop. i think very hard about ending it now but i think deep down i'm a coward. i have all the nessasary things done. will,funeral arraingments,services. i hate the longgivity of things. i am so ready but still it goes on.
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: god or no god!
i thought i'd share my veiwpoint. i have lived in a nursinghome, and all the people scream "god help me" does he? no i died. it was so peaceful but no i had to get dragged back for some unknown reason. it disstresses me some times but who am i to ask questions?
I have little to say in light of your experience parmla, it's sobering to say the least.
And questions, questions are good... not enough questions are asked if you have not found the answers. At the risk of sterotyping humanity, I'd say the average human society is founded too much on vanity and personal truths. If there is factual black and white, there is no room for grey or confusion.
Heh, you know when someone is lost when they refuse to look for answers.
I hope you find your answers parmla. I know I have.
_________________ Intellectual honesty is characterized by a readiness to scrutinize what one believes to be true, and to pay sufficient attention to other evidence available
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: answers
where did you find the answers? i've looked with preachers and the bible and still i'm blank. i would give anything to have a simlance of an answer.i'm open for suggestion
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:54 am Post subject:
Horatio wrote:
Believe it or not your actually very close to breaking through. No longer wish you were dead but start to live like your dead.
If you believe you are dead then nothing phases you. You can stare right back at people if they look at you, no stray comments will hurt you. In a way you become bullet proof. Who can kill those that are already dead?
This is exactly how I am now. I feel like I'm trapped in a corpse. I walk around like a zombie. I really don't care what people say about me, I mean, I genuinely don't care. But it's very dangerous to become an iron-coated beast like this. I'm losing touch with reality, and every day feels like a dream, not being awake. But I can't really call it the depression that I used to have. Now it's more like emptiness, like losing emotions, like becoming robotic and...I don't know which "mode" is better.
Kind of like emotional scarring? Scar tissue has less sensivity and is caused by harm.
parmla I have found more help than I can wish for from the bible, but I should also mention it was during studies with local Jehovah's Witnesses, for me the potential is obvious, honest folk who are both willing to learn and question their knowledge. Studying the bible solely is fine enough but they do help alot, there is alot more to it other than simply people who study the bible though, in all honesty even if I knew nothing about the bible and God I would say they are the most Christian-like people around.
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'Intellectual Honesty' is characterized by a readiness to scrutinize what one believes to be true, and to pay sufficient attention to other evidence available
This is a quote from another book in one of their mini-books, and for me is the perfect description of someone open minded.
I should also add im pretty skeptical about things and dismiss things easily, what I have learned studing and reading the bible simply cannot be dismissed at all.
_________________ Intellectual honesty is characterized by a readiness to scrutinize what one believes to be true, and to pay sufficient attention to other evidence available
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: depths of depression
the more i'm forced to live the more i think it will never end!they gave me six months but i passed that last week. you know the old saying? the devel don't want me,and the lord won't have me. i think its so true.
Iam not sick of the body i have been a healthy person, iam young, i have a well paid job, but every day a feel iam a delayed courpse. I feel there is nothing to live for. Sometimes i whatch the news, someone with a great future on the way dies and i think, what a waist, should have been me. I just cant stop feeling like a waist, what a waist of time if i could give my youth my health, my life to anyone who could use better, i would in an instance.
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