Some people would actually agree with that theory. All we're doing is bringing our race down as a whole, in my opinion. If we have kids we're just gambling on whether our offspring is going to be burdened with this disabling illness. Why take the chance on an innocent life? I'd rather have no kids at all than have my kid live in the hell that I do.
Ok, Jura, but what I don't completely understand is what are you doing at this forum anyway...? To "find out what the opposite sex thinks"?
I don't think people here need that kind of "I'm good, you're shit" speech. This is one of the few "places" where people can really relax a bit and finally share their emotions (things that they don't do often or never haven't). They don't need that crap from people that were suppose to share the same feelings but they just want to participate here to feel superior to others. If you don't have problems that are common to us, just shut your mouth and go enjoy your happy life elsewhere.
I'm surprised you didn't said: "Fuck, I should really open a concentration camp".
I can see no point in judging people according to whether they are introverted or extraverted, as if it was important. Saying extraverted are good, introverted bad or vice versa... For me either people are good or bad (regarding their inner qualities). Now you can pick up the word bad and accuse me that because I see some people as bad, I am beeing judgmental.. it can go ad absurdum and will never end.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject:
Lea wrote:
I can see no point in judging people according to whether they are introverted or extraverted, as if it was important. Saying extraverted are good, introverted bad or vice versa... For me either people are good or bad (regarding their inner qualities). Now you can pick up the word bad and accuse me that because I see some people as bad, I am beeing judgmental.. it can go ad absurdum and will never end.
I agree. It's unfair to say you hate someone whether they are outgoing, popular, shy, or socially phobic. It's all the same. We're only human and we want one thing - to be loved and accepted. We should try our best to show this to each other more often.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject:
SilentType wrote:
Some people would actually agree with that theory. All we're doing is bringing our race down as a whole, in my opinion. If we have kids we're just gambling on whether our offspring is going to be burdened with this disabling illness. Why take the chance on an innocent life? I'd rather have no kids at all than have my kid live in the hell that I do.
Peace
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I have a child, and I don't regret having him for a second. Just because I have social anxiety doesn't mean i'm not a great mother. Nobody is perfect, we all have problems. Are you saying that I shouldn't have had the chance to have a child? How unfair and cruel. How old are you? Are you so sure that your opinion won't change when you fall in love with someone and want a child of your own? It seems as though you want a utopian world, where all people are happy and perfect, unfortunately we are human beings and will never achieve such perfection so you might as well just accept yourself and others as they are.
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Ok, Jura, but what I don't completely understand is what are you doing at this forum anyway...? To "find out what the opposite sex thinks"?
I don't think people here need that kind of "I'm good, you're shit" speech. This is one of the few "places" where people can really relax a bit and finally share their emotions (things that they don't do often or never haven't). They don't need that crap from people that were suppose to share the same feelings but they just want to participate here to feel superior to others. If you don't have problems that are common to us, just shut your mouth and go enjoy your happy life elsewhere.
I'm surprised you didn't said: "Fuck, I should really open a concentration camp".
That made me laugh so hard the neighbours must have been wondering if i had been exposed to Joker Gas.
About Jura's post, nice effort trying to piss people off but not quite up there with the best yet. I give it 3 Xanex out of 5.
This demonstrates exactly why no one likes you people and you get bullied and harrassed and shit. You don't like outgoing people because you have absolutely no self-esteem and because you hate youselves. And the reason you hate yourselves is because objectively, speaking, you're all shit. You hate yourselves because there's nothing to like about you people anyway. You hate yourselves because anyone else would hate you just as much.
I don't even get why you all try so hard to get rid of social phobia if you're all so introverted, and wouldn't use your newfound social skills anyway. Seeing as you hate everyone around you out of jealousy towards them. And guess what: your fears are in 99% of you completely rational! It's not fear of short-term embarrassment in any of you, its fear of never having friends and forever remaining alone. And that's the fate you're all going to endure and suffer for the rest of your lives.
Outgoing people talk to people not because they're insecure, but because they love themselves just as muuch as everyone else and get stimulated from communicating with people, because it's thrilling, because it's fun, because no other experience in life can ever come close to the adrenaline rush and blissful, ecstatic enjoyment you get from simply chatting to people. Outgoing people aren't shallow. You're shallow. You're the ones who will never be able to conceive the depth and intensity of feelings outgoing people experience on a daily basis and therefore just dismiss them for "fakeness". So before you go and judge awesome, amazing people who are in charge of everything in every aspect of society, look at yourselves and accept that they deserve it on merit.
The reason I don't get bullied and the reason everyone's extremely nice to me is because people, even through the thick barrier shyness imposes between me and them, still feel and perceive that I like them and that I'm awesome. And if you considered trying to understand other people and why they're what they're like, and cut the hypocritical bullshit you're spoon-feeding each other all the time about how "people don't understand us, boo-hoo", and realized you guys are doing the same, only to a much greater extent and in a much worse, more disgusting, annoying, exasperatingly infuriating, retarded, self-deluded way, maybe you wouldn't all be social outcasts! YOU PISS ME OFF SO MUCH!!!
Fuck, I should really start a blog...
I must admit, there is some truth to your rant, but by no means are s/a and shy people inferior, but more or less disadvantaged.
A paraplegic person can still play basketball, it is just harder to do than someone that has all of their limbs/muscles working. The paraplegic person is envious of the able-bodied person, but doesn't "hate" that person because he/she can move naturally. The same applies to s/a and shy individuals. We are capable, but at a slight disadvantage and our insecurities come from our envious nature toward the average outgoing person. If anything, we dislike ourselves because we cannot 'be' the outgoing person so easily and try to blame the outgoing person for making us feel the way we do.
Jura "loves everybody", just like all outgoing people do, according to him.
"Outgoing people talk to people not because they're insecure, but because they love themselves just as muuch as everyone else..."
"The reason I don't get bullied and the reason everyone's extremely nice to me is because people, even through the thick barrier shyness imposes between me and them, still feel and perceive that I like them..."
But...
"And the reason you hate yourselves is because objectively, speaking, you're all shit. You hate yourselves because there's nothing to like about you people anyway. You hate yourselves because anyone else would hate you just as much."
Verily, the words of a man who cares for all mankind!
The only way this retard's drivel is even halfway coherent is if we assume that 'introverts', in his mind, are an entirely different and sub-human species that just has no value whatsoever. Because Jura loves everybody. All the real people, anyway. And who could doubt his word?
well to be honest (people are gonna hate me more now) i do agree with jural, maybe not that your all shit lol but some of their points.
there are people who post 'i wish i was more outgoing' etc and then say they hate outgoing people? that is jealousy people, no matter what, that is the definition of jealous or envy maybe?
also there is another point, if you dont want to talk to people, people are not gonna wanna talk to you. the most frustrating thing is when you try and make conversation with someone, and then get made to almost feel like shit about it coz the person dont wanna know!
also loving people, jura ment he/she (sorry it aint clear by ur name is it? lol) loves the company of people, gettin to know people, sharing with people, being there for people, but as a two way process, loving and being loved. saying you love people dont mean that some people arent gona piss you off, and it dont mean that your not gona hate some people either. It just means you love your life with people in it.
and the bullying thing, abit harsh and blunt yeh, but in a way its true. people look down on people who dont love them selves, because to alot of people its illogical, its like saying you dont love life. not your life nessersarily, but life itself. ive never been bullied either,probs because people know ill beat the shit outa anyone who trys! outa respect for myself, not because im nasty or violent. it dont mean some people aint tried to be nasty to me, coz they have! thats school for ya, but bullying occurs when someones nasty to you, and you dont do anything, it says to that person that you dont care how your treated and have no standards to how your treated, dont get me wrong, its not right to bully people, but were all different.
and i will admit i find offensive that people put down people,out going people, who everyday put themselves out there to be judged by being outgoing and letting people in. because really.....sorry guys....the hurt of not feeling confident enough to talk to people or being social hurts alot less than when you do make relationships and get let down, because its more personal. if a person knows you and is a friend/lover and then rejects you, it hurts alot more and is more personal than when you dont have a friend or lover because you fear u will get rejected. ive actualy been punched by three people at the same time in the past who were supposed to be friends, well drinking mates when i was 14 it hurt big time! but it dont mean i havent made friends since, i just knw now the people i wanna be friends with!!
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:02 am Post subject:
Marie_knowsbest wrote:
well to be honest (people are gonna hate me more now) i do agree with jural, maybe not that your all shit lol but some of their points.
there are people who post 'i wish i was more outgoing' etc and then say they hate outgoing people? that is jealousy people, no matter what, that is the definition of jealous or envy maybe?
also there is another point, if you dont want to talk to people, people are not gonna wanna talk to you. the most frustrating thing is when you try and make conversation with someone, and then get made to almost feel like shit about it coz the person dont wanna know!
also loving people, jura ment he/she (sorry it aint clear by ur name is it? lol) loves the company of people, gettin to know people, sharing with people, being there for people, but as a two way process, loving and being loved. saying you love people dont mean that some people arent gona piss you off, and it dont mean that your not gona hate some people either. It just means you love your life with people in it.
and the bullying thing, abit harsh and blunt yeh, but in a way its true. people look down on people who dont love them selves, because to alot of people its illogical, its like saying you dont love life. not your life nessersarily, but life itself. ive never been bullied either,probs because people know ill beat the shit outa anyone who trys! outa respect for myself, not because im nasty or violent. it dont mean some people aint tried to be nasty to me, coz they have! thats school for ya, but bullying occurs when someones nasty to you, and you dont do anything, it says to that person that you dont care how your treated and have no standards to how your treated, dont get me wrong, its not right to bully people, but were all different.
and i will admit i find offensive that people put down people,out going people, who everyday put themselves out there to be judged by being outgoing and letting people in. because really.....sorry guys....the hurt of not feeling confident enough to talk to people or being social hurts alot less than when you do make relationships and get let down, because its more personal. if a person knows you and is a friend/lover and then rejects you, it hurts alot more and is more personal than when you dont have a friend or lover because you fear u will get rejected. ive actualy been punched by three people at the same time in the past who were supposed to be friends, well drinking mates when i was 14 it hurt big time! but it dont mean i havent made friends since, i just knw now the people i wanna be friends with!!
sorry guys. i agree with jura
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what you're trying to say here, or what your point is.
"sorry guys....the hurt of not feeling confident enough to talk to people or being social hurts alot less than when you do make relationships and get let down, because its more personal. if a person knows you and is a friend/lover and then rejects you, it hurts alot more and is more personal than when you dont have a friend or lover because you fear u will get rejected"
Is this supposed to mean that people who are outgoing hurt more than people who are socially phobic. What kind of an asinine statement is this? People are people, we all hurt the same, we have the same feelings and we all deserve equal and fair rights as others. People cannot help their past or the things that have shaped their personalities. Someone who was raised with more money and more attention as a child may grow up to have more self confidence and therefore able to make friends easily. Some of us aren't that fortunate. Regardless of whether we are outgoing or shy, no one is better than anyone else. Social phobia and anxiety are mental disorders, to claim someone is better because they don't have these problems is, well, BIASED, PREJUDICED.
"and the bullying thing, abit harsh and blunt yeh, but in a way its true. people look down on people who dont love them selves, because to alot of people its illogical, its like saying you dont love life. not your life nessersarily, but life itself."
OK. I think you're confused. Usually people who bully don't love themselves but I don't think I should have to explain why. I'm not sure what you're saying is "illogical." Isn't bullying illogical? Or in other words, senseless?
Anyways, I have a question for you. How old are you? Why are you here? Do you think I should judge you based on your grammar skills and spelling skills? What if I was to say i'm better than you because i'm obviously more intelligent. Unfair right? Listen, take some more classes and grow up a bit, maybe take a class in humanity and stop being so sure you "know it all" because i'm sure you don't.
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it hurt big time! but it dont mean i havent made friends since, i just knw now the people i wanna be friends with!!