Suicide not the answer? Why not?

Psychedelicious · Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject:

I think it is about time for this board to literally... DIE!!! Very Happy

. It's just too much.

missblueyes123 · Newbie User Joined: Jul 04, 2008 Posts: 5

I understand what you are saying completely. I just graduated high school and have been very depressed since 10th grade. I've been to many different doctors and therapist. Lots of medication, hospital stays, and also had electric shock done. Nothing has worked. I had a wonderful life before my depression and I always thought that it would come back but I've lost most hope. I've attempted suicide before, but was found before I died which really sucked. I mainly don't ***** now because I know it would really hurt my family and closest friends. I'm also a little afraid of failing at a suicide attempt again. I would love to die right now. I don't care if I have a great life to come, because I'm so tired of being depressed the wait does not seem worth it. I'd enjoy talking to you more because it seems you feel the same as me..which is nice, because no one else I talk to does.

MotherWolff · Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:27 am Post subject:

Isn't it neat how every living thing can sense right from wrong? Well, almost everything...Those mental diseases(SAD, depression) that have a hold on you, endoflife and the rest of us are just as painful as physical diseases(cancer for example). Now I remember when my grand dad on my mom's side of the family passed away.

During his final hours here, on this chaos-ridden Earth with only specs of peace, my step grand mom decided to take him off of life support. Why? Because she, and the rest of the family(including me) decided that his death would serve him better than living as an incapable "vegetable"(he suffered from a severe stroke). Basically we weren't thinking about what would be best for us but what would be best for him. We didn't want to watch him suffer. This reminds me of you endoflife.

From what you described on your life, you seem to face more bad than good with no chances of improvement. But does that mean you should just give up your life? I really don't know. Sometimes when I get suicide ideations(happens almost daily especially when I'm alone) I think about countless cancer treated patients who overcame their cancer some how(perhaps by "will") even after the doctors say "We did what we could but your expected to die in *number goes here* days/weeks/months/years. Regardless of their degraded health they press onward. I've always found people like this to be "warriors/conquerers of life".

That's one reason I revere wolves. They are determined enough survivors to live in the most inhospitable conditions. I think if a wolf can do it you can too endoflife. ^_^ As long as you believe your life will improve. I suppose hope and faith are truly the only motivation that can keep us going. But I sometimes wonder if wolves(any animal) consider suicide? Yeah I would rather erase myself than let some murderer do it for me. I hope ghosts are real so when I die I can haunt all the bad people(and annoying people>_<)for as long as they live! Wink

VioletTears · Intermediate User Joined: Jun 09, 2008 Posts: 130

You know, at first I thought it was "wrong" to have a rule against writing about suicide, or to block out the word k-i-l-l because suicidal thoughts so often run parellel to any mental illness and people NEED to talk. Shutting those emotions in is so unhealthy... But after reading this thread I totally understand why there is a rule. It really makes me sick. For anyone who hasn't been there (as in, been suicidal) and doesn't understand it, please go on Google or something and look up "what to say to someone who is suicidal."

People get mad at those who say suicide is great but saying things along the lines of, "Things aren't really that bad. If you really wanted to die you would *****" is SO much worse. Why? Because at least the people who say suicide is great UNDESTAND and are probably going through the same thing, but those who say the later are not only proving that they DON'T understand, they are also more or less saying "I will never believe you or give any validity to your feelings unless you do *****." So then the suicidal person feels like the only way they will be heard is if they PROVE it by actually killing themselves or attempting to. And yes, if someone is contemplating suicide things ARE that bad. You wouldn't tell someone with chest pains and a history of risk factors for heart disease that they were fine because they were still alive. Depression is an illness in which suicide is sometimes the end result when the person feels all other options are extinguished. Can we all just accept that someone who posts saying they want to die needs help and support and someone who will TRY to understand how they reached the cliff in the first place? And yes, things ARE that bad because suicide is always the last resort when a person feels all other hope has been exhausted. It's human instinct to want to survive, deep down everyone knows that death isn't desirable, the problem is that for many it's way more desirable than life BECAUSE life is too painful and hopeless...

I hope that the original poster is okay and that they have found a better source of support than this thread...

MotherWolff · Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject:

I wonder if this topic has helped endoflife to decide if suicide really is the answer or not(if endoflife still alive). I hope this topic somehow affected endoflife for the better.

Btw, according to the Terms&Conditions here, suicide topics aren't even permitted. How did this one come into being then without the moderators' attention? Are there particular exceptions to what we can discuss on suicide? I'm confused...

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Richey · Expert User Joined: Sep 28, 2005 Posts: 768

My advice is to try every single method at your disposal to help yourself before making that final decision, because i know alot of cases of people who lived full lives and a little incident caused them to end it, so certain people blow things out of proportion and react to the extreme, i just believe the only real justification of suicide is when there is no possible way to end the pain, and that is a stretch too ..

unless you are someone like hitler, you cna always turn things around in my books ..

of course in the midst of dark times its easy to become set on it being a solution

i believe that you want to kill off your unhappy or negative mindset rather then your actual physical and mental self..

its like i don't understand why people cut themselves, ive been depressed before but my way of venting is to stay longer in bed or to punch a tree trunk(i dont own a punching bag) ...everyone is different

Richey · Expert User Joined: Sep 28, 2005 Posts: 768

MotherWolff · Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject:

Is it really okay to say that suicide is a good thing or a bad thing? It has to be one or the other. But to be honest, I don't even know which. Human morality is more complex and ambiguous than I ever thought it to be when I was younger. Well you do learn more about some things as you get older.

Like what you said in your post, endoflife, maybe suicide can serve as a potential "savior" for a considerable number(or even just one) of negative reasons that someone faces in their life.

I suppose if suicide really is the only way to relieve pain, then maybe its not as bad as society claims it to be. But I'm not the one who has the right to say "suicide is right, do it" or to say "suicide is wrong, don't even think about it" because I'm just as human as you are. But what I do believe is that you can honestly do whatever you want with your life.

I get so tired of hearing some people say to suicidal people "your life is not yours to take" because its their life to begin with. So why can't they take their own life if they want to then?

Anyways I'm really just too stupid and young to advise anyone on anything. If I felt wise I don't think I would have came to this site looking for help(and I still am).

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Lonely now, as I always was, I cry the lonely cry of a wolf. -By Nadine Mondrae,age 13

VioletTears · Intermediate User Joined: Jun 09, 2008 Posts: 130

I think that suicide can be the best option for SOME people, but it's never "good."

I don't think that suicide is the best option for everyone who considers it, though.

Depression is a disease... In some cases it's treatable... In other cases it's not. Our minds and bodies respond to different treatment options in different ways.

I think that as a last resort, when all other treatment options have failed, suicide can be the best thing for the person suffering.

Of course, that still has to be weighted against the harm it will do to loved ones. At some point I do think it's selfish of others to ask someone to live when their life is that painful, in the same way it's selfish to keep someone with a terminal illness alive when they are suffering and don't want to go on... It's just hard to REALLY know where that point is.

Even if suicide is the best option for some people, I think it's always incredibly sad...

MotherWolff · Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: