Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 89 Location: United States of America
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:52 pm Post subject:
I know there is social engineering going on, but I just dontt see the type your describing. What I see is the trend is to push homosexuality on everybody. It seems anyway (I dont watch TV, so I only know what I see from time to time).
Not that I have anything wrong with homos, but they are just not that common, at least not here in rural america. Therefore this over influx of them in the media makes me believe it is some kind of agenda to prmote homosexuality.
Joined: May 09, 2005 Posts: 1409 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:23 pm Post subject:
Veryshy I see what you're getting at; there has certainly been a steady increase in the openess of tv producers to cast/create characters that are not heterosexual. But you shouldn't feel pressured by this in any way.
Some clichéd types such as the effeminate homosexual cross dressing man make for very entertaining tv (see UK Big Brother at the moment for a good example). Entertaining programmes = higher ratings = more $$$. This if anything is the hidden agenda you talked about.
Also the proportion of homo to hetero on tv is pretty darn close to the community at large, obviously this varies from region to region and country to country but its a pretty good balance.
Maybe people are just becoming more open to the idea of sexual variation so it seems like a massive change.
I see all this as a positive thing; more openess, more acceptance of lifestyles that vary from the norm, hopefully homophobia is becoming more unacceptable too.
Anyway my point is there is no hidden agenda.
What sort of social engineering / conditioning do you think is going on?
Joined: May 16, 2005 Posts: 328 Location: United States of America
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Women and sexuality
Barry25 wrote:
Hopefully both the male and female posters will gain something from this post, and it will boost understanding.
I'm not quite understanding your point of view.
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I am sure that what lies at the heart of anxiety for the male posters here is the rejection of the idea that they have any value as a man. Not just sexual rejection. But their value as a provider, a doer, all those things that men are supposed to be.
I think both men and women want to be providers and doers. Do you really want to do all the work while the woman stays home and does nothing to enrich her mind? Wouldn't you like to have a partner who can join you in your leisure activities and social gatherings and be able to carry on an intelligent conversation or challenge you in a sport?
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All these conflicting messages are going out, and women don't know how to behave.
Behave? Hmmmm. Your language seems to imply that women are somehow trained through the course of their life to be either "good" girls or "bad" girls. Although socialization does play a huge part in making life choices and how we act, it is not black and white. I can be both. I've had my party days, but mostly I enjoy getting close to someone and taking care of them, and them taking care of me.
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Teachers are brainwashing young Englishmen and women to hate themselves and their history.
I don't know if this is true, but whatever teachers are telling us, we are intelligent beings who can analyze incoming information and either accept it, reject it, or neither. In grade school and high school, it seemed like the emphasis was on honoring the first white people to settle here in the U.S. In college (university as some prefer), the emphasis seems to be on how corrupt the government is here, diversity, and acceptance of change (i.e. liberal views). This is my experience, but it may be different in other schools or regions.
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Self-determination, not imperialism, should be the order of the day, if we are to avoid a rerun of the disasters of the 20th century.
The idea of self-determination or individualism seems ignorant to me. I have lived in areas where people have far fewer resources to better themselves than caucasian, middle to upper class people do. I think this is a matter of socialization. Some children are simply not encouraged to do the same things with their lives as caucasian children are. The resources to achieve them in the poor areas are scarce, and sometimes they are not exposed to the same things that caucasian middle to upper class children are.
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The factors above are, I feel, critical to understanding how powerful a problem social anxiety has become in the UK and the US particularly.
How do we know that the problem of anxiety is worse now than it used to be? For most of the 20th century, people rejected the ideas of psychologists and physiologists studying the brain. Psychological disorders were not accepted by the public. Those who were diagnosed were thought of as crazy and a danger to society. People were not willingly walking into the doctor's office wanting to share their mental or emotional problems.
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Yes, a lot of men are terrible, aggressive, lacking in class etc. too, but what makes me fearful around women is the fact that they have no consciousness and they just mirror what they think society wants them to believe or do. They lead very narrow lives influenced by the crowd.
Society influences everyone; men and women alike. I'm not sure if you are referring particularly to women who are focused on vanity or their appearance to others, or if you are referring to something else. In the case of vanity, yes it is a problem. It affects all of us, but differently to some than others. I am one of those women who gave into the pressures of society, and felt for a long time that I was too fat to be accepted, even though I was a normal weight for my age/height. So I started starving myself and doing disgusting things to look thinner. It worked, but I never felt better. I now have empathy for those kind of women. If you look deeper, you may find someone who has a lot more to them than just their looks or the way they act when they are out with their friends.
In conclusion, I should say that my boyfriend loves me because I am independent and I can take care of myself and him if I need to. We enjoy playing sports together and working towards making our business more profitable. He likes that I don't need to ask him for things or that I can't figure things out on my own. He likes that he can take me to social events and that I can talk to his friends without sounding like an airhead. I have been out and done things. I don't just sit around the house and do traditional womanly things.
Men and women are different and the same. It has been proven that we have different brain physiology, which affects our abilities. So men and women may be better at different things, but that does not mean that qualities from both sexes aren't needed in all different aspects of life. Time has changed. Society now needs women to step up and do things.
Joined: May 16, 2005 Posts: 328 Location: United States of America
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:11 pm Post subject:
veryshy wrote:
I know there is social engineering going on, but I just dontt see the type your describing. What I see is the trend is to push homosexuality on everybody. It seems anyway (I dont watch TV, so I only know what I see from time to time).
Not that I have anything wrong with homos, but they are just not that common, at least not here in rural america. Therefore this over influx of them in the media makes me believe it is some kind of agenda to prmote homosexuality.
Homosexuality is more common than you think. I go to a university where my best guy friend is homosexual. One day we were sitting outside by one of the busiest sidewalks during classes, and he began pointing out other guys who he knew were gay because he had seen them out at gay social gatherings. I was shocked. So many of them were either in the closet or acted straight (if it is possible to "act straight").
If you are accustomed to hanging around only rural areas, I suggest you visit urban areas and see how different it is from where you are.
Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 89 Location: United States of America
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:57 pm Post subject:
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What sort of social engineering / conditioning do you think is going on?
Make people more accepting of governmental and corporate tyranny and intrusiveness. Promote homosexuality and abstinence to combat population growth. Scare the living crap out of people with this terrorism stuff.
Making people believe theres only two feasable candidates and/or political parties for governmental positions
Hegelian propaganda designed to make you draw a certain conclusion through the managment of information presented.
Ever heard the saying "Say a lie long enough and loud enough and it becomes true" or something to that effect?
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