Joined: Mar 30, 2008 Posts: 110 Location: New Mexico, USA
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:28 am Post subject:
SilentType wrote:
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Marijuana joints contain 20x the Ammonia, 5x the cyanide and nitric oxide of everyday cigarettes. Your inhaling smoke, pure and simple. Theres no ''Natural'' part of sucking smoke into your lungs...Thats what coughing is for Wink A 2008 NIH study concluded a significant increase in stroke and heart attack from patience who smoked marijuana regularly.
I'm a Criminal Justice major...I know a lot about drugs man
What does criminal justice have to do with knowing about drugs? Our criminal justice system knows absolutely nothing about drugs, especially marijuana, since they've got it scheduled in the same class as cocaine, heroin and lsd. Anybody will tell you that's bullshit
If you knew anything at all about drugs, you wouldn't have said a word of the paragraph I quoted, since there is now a way to smoke pot called
vaporization. It let's you control the temperature of your flame, allowing nothing but thc to be burned and inhaled. This is possible because thc burns at a lower temperature than the plant material itself. After smoking your just left with "thc-less" herb.
THC is found naturally in the brain and other organs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anandamide), so if I'm breaking the law by possessing cannabis as medicine, then I'm breaking the law by having a brain in my head.
I hope you don't believe everything else people try to tell you because that's just gonna result in an escape from reality in itself. Learn to read between the lines. It's either that or go study some more criminal justice propaganda about marijuana which is even true.
And to end this post, when did anybody push someone to use marijuana as a medicine for SA? Nobody is being pushed. Information is simply being distributed, because I have the right to share my thoughts on this topic. I am not telling anybody who doesn't want to use medical marijuana to use it, and I never have. I just want to put to bed all the bullshit that people like you spread about it. This person asked a question about the subject, people who know a little aobut the topic are answering him, and you're doing nothing but trying to take away people's freedom of speech. A criminal justice major should be able to see that...
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Kiddo.
I've smoked weed four times in my life and eaten shrooms twice, please don't lecture me on drugs. Personally it didn't do much for me, I can get tired and hungry by doing a workout or going out and having some fun.
What doe's Criminal Justice have to do with drugs? Umm...DER DE DER...Drugs are illegal > Criminal Justice Majors study the LAW. I know, I know...it's VERY complicated. Guess what? When you inhale weed, regardless of it's temperature your still getting doses of ammonia, and cyanide and nitric oxide(part of what makes weed soo fast acting).
Yes, it's propaganda that drugs are bad. Meth doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger. Weed doesn't give you man boobs-slowed down testosterone production-slowed down metabolism and damage brain cells. It's just Uncle Sam trying to get you...
Yes I'm trying to take away his freedom of speech...WHEN DID I SAY "YOU CAN'T SAY THAT!!! WEED IS ILLEGAL LOL!!!!"
That's because I didn't say it. He can smoke weed all he wants, I don't give a crap. And when I get my degree, I won't give a crap for people who smoke weed or eat shrooms(they are safer drugs when compared to others). And it's NOT, NOT in the same class as heroin or LSD. Know what possession of weed gets you in my state(New Mexico)? You get your weed taken away and a $45 ticket. Having heroin or LSD on you gets you jail time.
Have ony other hippy propaganda to try and blame on me or are you done for the day?
What doe's Criminal Justice have to do with drugs? Umm...DER DE DER...Drugs are illegal > Criminal Justice Majors study the LAW. I know, I know...it's VERY complicated.
They study the law. They do not study the pharmacological, psychological, and physiological effects of drugs.
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Guess what? When you inhale weed, regardless of it's temperature your still getting doses of ammonia, and cyanide and nitric oxide(part of what makes weed soo fast acting).
Factually incorrect. Those chemicals are byproducts of the combustion of plant material. In a vaporizer, no plant material is combusted. Only the active ingredients and volatile oils and vaporized into a gaseous state and inhaled. Not to mention that marijuana can also be consumed orally, bypassing the respiratory system entirely.
Your biggest mistake is in equivocating the laws of this country with an accurate representation of reality. Your body doesn't give two shits about what schedule a drug is in. And while we're bragging about what drugs we've done, I've sampled around 20 different psychoactives from both the legally-sanctioned pharmacopoeia and the demonized "street drugs." Which, by the way, are often one and the same. Methamphetamine, for example, is sold under the brand name Desoxyn as an ADD treatment. Morphine, the active constituent in opium, continues to be the first-line treatment in pain management worldwide. The fact is, marijuana is the least harmful drug out there, and many find it useful for treating a variety of ailments, in addition to enjoying it recreationally.
It's also interesting to note that the active ingredients in marijuana have been synthesized and are available in pill form, which was approved by the FDA in 2006, and is currently marketed as Marinol and prescribed as an anti-nausea agent and appetite stimulant to AIDS and chemotherapy patients. So much for "no accepted medical use", one of the criteria for a drug to be placed in Schedule I under the Controlled Substances Act (as marijuana is).
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Joined: Mar 30, 2008 Posts: 110 Location: New Mexico, USA
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:14 am Post subject:
lucifersam wrote:
mustang wrote:
What doe's Criminal Justice have to do with drugs? Umm...DER DE DER...Drugs are illegal > Criminal Justice Majors study the LAW. I know, I know...it's VERY complicated.
They study the law. They do not study the pharmacological, psychological, and physiological effects of drugs.
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Guess what? When you inhale weed, regardless of it's temperature your still getting doses of ammonia, and cyanide and nitric oxide(part of what makes weed soo fast acting).
Factually incorrect. Those chemicals are byproducts of the combustion of plant material. In a vaporizer, no plant material is combusted. Only the active ingredients and volatile oils and vaporized into a gaseous state and inhaled. Not to mention that marijuana can also be consumed orally, bypassing the respiratory system entirely.
Your biggest mistake is in equivocating the laws of this country with an accurate representation of reality. Your body doesn't give two shits about what schedule a drug is in. And while we're bragging about what drugs we've done, I've sampled around 20 different psychoactives from both the legally-sanctioned pharmacopoeia and the demonized "street drugs." Which, by the way, are often one and the same. Methamphetamine, for example, is sold under the brand name Desoxyn as an ADD treatment. Morphine, the active constituent in opium, continues to be the first-line treatment in pain management worldwide. The fact is, marijuana is the least harmful drug out there, and many find it useful for treating a variety of ailments, in addition to enjoying it recreationally.
It's also interesting to note that the active ingredients in marijuana have been synthesized and are available in pill form, which was approved by the FDA in 2006, and is currently marketed as Marinol and prescribed as an anti-nausea agent and appetite stimulant to AIDS and chemotherapy patients. So much for "no accepted medical use", one of the criteria for a drug to be placed in Schedule I under the Controlled Substances Act (as marijuana is).
Yes. Because you've taken Criminal Justice classes. Would you like me read some of the classes I've taken in relation to drugs?
-Drugs and Minorities 101
-Psychology 311
-Sociology 316
-Chemistry 151
-Social Statistics 250
-Criminology 301
-Intro to Corrections 105
All of those have had at least 3 chapters on Chemical Dependency...
We both know that using a vaporizer is only marginally better than smoking marijuana. And consuming marijuana by digestion requires an excessive amount which is not cost effective in itself not to mention nearly as dangerous as smoking marijuana since the solidified seeds/stems/pods contained in the marijuana aren't properly digested and enter the small intestine as a solid increasing the chances of damaging the organ.
Steroids(Androtestosterone), Brain Cancer Medication(Accutane derivative), Amphetamines, etc. are all available by prescription to treat certain illnesses. All considered controlled substance...Now I ask you my friend, why would they be CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES if they were not dangerous? You have no answer? Thought so. These are in the same category as Marijuana capsules; just as dangerous, just as controlled.[/b]
We both know that using a vaporizer is only marginally better than smoking marijuana.
Did you not read what I said?
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And consuming marijuana by digestion requires an excessive amount which is not cost effective in itself not to mention nearly as dangerous as smoking marijuana since the solidified seeds/stems/pods contained in the marijuana aren't properly digested and enter the small intestine as a solid increasing the chances of damaging the organ.
The typical method of oral consumption is not consuming the bulk herb, but rather dissolving it into butter, in which cannabinoids are soluble, straining out and discarding the plant matter, and using the butter to cook your brownies or cake or what have you. No seeds or stems end up in the resultant food.
Cost-effectiveness would not be as much of an issue if it were legal and people did not have to pay black market prices.
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Steroids(Androtestosterone), Brain Cancer Medication(Accutane derivative), Amphetamines, etc. are all available by prescription to treat certain illnesses. All considered controlled substance...Now I ask you my friend, why would they be CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES if they were not dangerous? You have no answer? Thought so. These are in the same category as Marijuana capsules; just as dangerous, just as controlled.
I never disputed that methamphetamine, and indeed most other prescription medications, are dangerous. I have seen what it can do to people who become addicted.
However, marijuana is in a class entirely separate from dangerous drugs like methamphetamine and benzodiazepines. There has never been one documented case of a fatal overdose of marijuana. Its addictive properties are also negligible, much less so than the completely unrestricted drug caffeine (which has caused fatal overdoses, by the way). If the mountains of studies concluding this are not proof enough, I smoked marijuana daily for nearly two years and quit cold turkey in April, and had no issues whatsoever in discontinuing it.
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Joined: Mar 30, 2008 Posts: 110 Location: New Mexico, USA
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:45 am Post subject:
lucifersam wrote:
mustang wrote:
We both know that using a vaporizer is only marginally better than smoking marijuana.
Did you not read what I said?
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And consuming marijuana by digestion requires an excessive amount which is not cost effective in itself not to mention nearly as dangerous as smoking marijuana since the solidified seeds/stems/pods contained in the marijuana aren't properly digested and enter the small intestine as a solid increasing the chances of damaging the organ.
The typical method of oral consumption is not consuming the bulk herb, but rather dissolving it into butter, in which cannabinoids are soluble, straining out and discarding the plant matter, and using the butter to cook your brownies or cake or what have you. No seeds or stems end up in the resultant food.
Cost-effectiveness would not be as much of an issue if it were legal and people did not have to pay black market prices.
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Steroids(Androtestosterone), Brain Cancer Medication(Accutane derivative), Amphetamines, etc. are all available by prescription to treat certain illnesses. All considered controlled substance...Now I ask you my friend, why would they be CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES if they were not dangerous? You have no answer? Thought so. These are in the same category as Marijuana capsules; just as dangerous, just as controlled.
I never disputed that methamphetamine, and indeed most other prescription medications, are dangerous. I have seen what it can do to people who become addicted.
However, marijuana is in a class entirely separate from dangerous drugs like methamphetamine and benzodiazepines. There has never been one documented case of a fatal overdose of marijuana. Its addictive properties are also negligible, much less so than the completely unrestricted drug caffeine (which has caused fatal overdoses, by the way). If the mountains of studies concluding this are not proof enough, I smoked marijuana daily for nearly two years and quit cold turkey in April, and had no issues whatsoever in discontinuing it.
Regardless of what it's classification is the simple truth is: it alters your state of mind by unsafe means. I've had close friends get severely injured by smoking weed and driving; and I'm sure across the county/world there has been deaths/murders and perhaps even rapes because of this "safe" drug you preach about.
I'm done with this argument, you have nothing new to bring to the table that I haven't heard a dozen times already.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:00 am Post subject:
Reefer madness still has plenty of people brain washed. Meanwhile criminal gangs love prohibition of something we should be growing in our back yards.
By the way, you can overdose on water, maybe we should make water illegal.
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All of you anti-weed people have no valid arguments. You keep trying to say "it's illegal." For one thing, the law doesn't guide my moral judgment or my views. For another thing, MEDICAL marijuana (which this thread is supposed to be about before it was hijacked by preachy self-righteous anti-weed people) is legal in most states these days. I guarantee the side effects are about 100 times less severe than most prescription drugs on the market today.
sabbath92002 posted a great article that cited actual medical journals and credible sources but you guys flat out refused to even read it. The most you can do is provide your own personal anecdotes about how you hate weed and nobody should be allowed to smoke it. I think you guys got buried in this argument and you won't admit it. lol.
Regardless of what it's classification is the simple truth is: it alters your state of mind by unsafe means.
Nothing is inherently wrong with altering your state of mind. You also provide no detail as to what these "unsafe means" are. Perhaps because the preponderance of evidence that suggests that cannabis is the safest psychoactive drug in existence? Not that being "unsafe" to a person who makes a conscious choice to use a substance is any grounds for prohibition anyway.
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I've had close friends get severely injured by smoking weed and driving; and I'm sure across the county/world there has been deaths/murders and perhaps even rapes because of this "safe" drug you preach about.
Wow, the sounds like a line straight out of Reefer Madness. These outrageous claims long since been disproven. Studies have found that marijuana use is not correlated with violent crime. I wish I had a reference for you, but the book has long since been returned to the library. But anyone who has experience with marijuana would immediately see the ridiculousness of the charge that being high would induce someone to commit a murder or rape. Listen to Pink Floyd, yeah. Clear out the buffet, yeah. Murder and rape, no. We would be much better off as a country criminalizing alcohol, which produces plenty violence and rape, and let people smoke as much cannabis as they please.
Of course, if you'd rather believe a 1930s propaganda/exploitation film, that's your prerogative. Me, I prefer to think for myself.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject:
lucifersam wrote:
mustang wrote:
Regardless of what it's classification is the simple truth is: it alters your state of mind by unsafe means.
Nothing is inherently wrong with altering your state of mind. You also provide no detail as to what these "unsafe means" are. Perhaps because the preponderance of evidence that suggests that cannabis is the safest psychoactive drug in existence? Not that being "unsafe" to a person who makes a conscious choice to use a substance is any grounds for prohibition anyway.
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I've had close friends get severely injured by smoking weed and driving; and I'm sure across the county/world there has been deaths/murders and perhaps even rapes because of this "safe" drug you preach about.
Wow, the sounds like a line straight out of Reefer Madness. These outrageous claims long since been disproven. Studies have found that marijuana use is not correlated with violent crime. I wish I had a reference for you, but the book has long since been returned to the library. But anyone who has experience with marijuana would immediately see the ridiculousness of the charge that being high would induce someone to commit a murder or rape. Listen to Pink Floyd, yeah. Clear out the buffet, yeah. Murder and rape, no. We would be much better off as a country criminalizing alcohol, which produces plenty violence and rape, and let people smoke as much cannabis as they please.
Of course, if you'd rather believe a 1930s propaganda/exploitation film, that's your prerogative. Me, I prefer to think for myself.
Nice deconstruction and refutation of my argument, there.
When you simply withdraw yourself from the debate, and resort to namecalling, that is the surest sign of defeat.
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