Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 581 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject:
socratic wrote:
Didn't you tell the police? I'm pretty sure the laws in New Zealand should be similar to those in the UK. Assualt and a threat against your life are pretty serious. You shouldn't tolerate violent behaviour. Though when i was younger i had the same, i couldn't tell anyone, especially the police. If the police turned up at my house my dad would've done an encore.
yes the laws in NZ are very similar to those in the UK and yes on several occasions I went to the police. However, due to the fact it was happening on school grounds meant that it was the school's legal responsibility to deal with the problem. Police will only come in if the school asks them to. The school did call the police once when people strarted bringing airguns to school to shoot me with, the school brought the police in and I understand they found three guns and were talking about laying firearms charges. I dont know if they ever did. However that was the only time the police were involved on school property.
on about three occasions myself/my parents went to the police regarding incidents that took place in public outside the school grounds, like the time I had a brick thrown at me when I was cycling home from school which knocked me off my bike. but because people were under 16 then they got nothing but a smack on the hand and a police warning that they might have to go to a youth anger management course on weekends
if you call the police to investigate anything that happens on school grounds involving other students then they will only go straight to the school authority and ask them to deal with it.
Joined: Mar 13, 2006 Posts: 176 Location: Detroitish
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:16 am Post subject:
jinxed wrote:
the law is not serving justice. As I said- another one of the misconceptions that young ppl are too immature to know what they're doing and too innocent and can't be evil/bad- yeah whatever !
Checkmate!!! I dare someone to argue against that, I dare you!
jinxed wrote:
I thought there are youth jails and penalties nowadays tho?? that they can go to jail too?
Joined: Oct 04, 2004 Posts: 581 Location: New Zealand
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:02 am Post subject:
jinxed wrote:
I thought there are youth jails and penalties nowadays tho?? that they can go to jail too?
altho maybe not in the UK or NZ, I guess it's different or I'm wrong.
here you get sent to a juvenaile facility thingy if your young and rape someone or kill/nearly kill someone. certainly the guys that beat me up outside school grounds only got warnings
the guys who beat me up within the school grounds... they weren't disciplined at all. The police left it to the school and the school did nothing
This is very upsetting for me to hear- the law is not serving justice. As I said- another one of the misconceptions that young ppl are too immature to know what they're doing and too innocent and can't be evil/bad- yeah whatever !
I thought there are youth jails and penalties nowadays tho?? that they can go to jail too?
The principle behind legal age for imprisonment is not that children "can't be evil/bad" but that they are not usually deemed able to control their behaviour rationally enough for sanctions to be effective, which makes them useless and harmful. Punishment by the state is not a revenge of society, it is a method to discourage crime, and other than for that purpose it should not be used. Besides, bullying is very widespread among children and adolescents, if all those who do some bullying or illegal things where to be jailed, we would have a large chunk of the population behind bars.
When I was ten-eleven-twelve I used to steal from supermarkets with some schoolfriends. We knew it was illegal but we didn't mind, we just couldn't resist the thrill of it. I also was mildly bullied and did some mild bullying on others. I was stolen my money and I stole small sums of money from other children. I set fire to a can of trash. I wrote on the school walls and was caught. It's the way a lot of little guys behave at that age, I was surrounded by other kids doing that.
I am now since many years a quiet person, respectful of the law, concerned with public issues, and definitely not violent. Should I have been jailed as a kid? For being "bad" and "evil"? I don't think it would have been a great investment for society, my life would have been destroyed and I would now be a chronic criminal most likely.
PS Of course in Horatio's case it is different, that is severe abuse by people old enough to understand and control their actions, and they should have faced the consequences of their behaviour. In my country legal age for receiving any charge is 14 (also detention in a youth prison), and 18 for full responsibility. I wouldn't want to see that changed.
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The principle behind legal age for imprisonment is not that children "can't be evil/bad" but that they are not usually deemed able to control their behaviour rationally enough for sanctions to be effective, which makes them useless and harmful. Punishment by the state is not a revenge of society, it is a method to discourage crime, and other than for that purpose it should not be used. Besides, bullying is very widespread among children and adolescents, if all those who do some bullying or illegal things where to be jailed, we would have a large chunk of the population behind bars.
When I was ten-eleven-twelve I used to steal from supermarkets with some schoolfriends. We knew it was illegal but we didn't mind, we just couldn't resist the thrill of it. I also was mildly bullied and did some mild bullying on others. I was stolen my money and I stole small sums of money from other children. I set fire to a can of trash. I wrote on the school walls and was caught. It's the way a lot of little guys behave at that age, I was surrounded by other kids doing that.
I am now since many years a quiet person, respectful of the law, concerned with public issues, and definitely not violent. Should I have been jailed as a kid? For being "bad" and "evil"? I don't think it would have been a great investment for society, my life would have been destroyed and I would now be a chronic criminal most likely.
PS Of course in Horatio's case it is different, that is severe abuse by people old enough to understand and control their actions, and they should have faced the consequences of their behaviour. In my country legal age for receiving any charge is 14 (also detention in a youth prison), and 18 for full responsibility. I wouldn't want to see that changed.
Yeh I understand that when you're very young, you do things which you didn't know better then, but I was talking of evil like in Horatio's situation, violence and hurtful, personal things, they could tell you that they're a child though if others have the urge in anger to get them back, they have an excuse too, and even a more worthy one, in which the other person you should not at all be sorry ! 'cauze it's a natural reaction and healthy to do sth about it and other times, they don't change later or at all even though there are exceptions such as minor bullying but nevertheless, if you get into trouble for anything you've done, even if it's not a very serious or deathly one, who do you have to blame except the one who provoked it.
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In Australia if you're over 10 or 11 I can't remeber, think it was 10, you can go to juvy, I got in a fight with a friend last year and the 'principle' said if I repeated the offense I would be sent to juvy, in the last 3 weeks of the semester I got in 3 fights... no juvy, It wasn't a bully fight, one person was probly the most annoying person at school, evuantuly I couldn't control myself and kicked him in the stomach but missed and hit him in the croutch,
the other time was completely stupid
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