omfg I am confused. Doom2die if there was ever one book created 2000 years ago.... I would love to read it with an english translation (Cos my Hebrew sucks LOL)... otherwise i fear the more recent bible translation would have been infected with materialism, consumerism, fascism and ego.
To the bible haters... I understand the skepticism... I am also a "skeptic"... but there is also a lot of substance and wisdom within the archaic language and riddles .
It wasn't written 2000 years ago and it isn't one book, but a bunch of books later put together. The books in the Bible were written, in some instances, HUNDREDS of years after this stuff was supposed to happen.
The Bible isn't all bad, but it aint anything divinely inspired
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Fear not at all; fear neither men nor Fates, nor gods, nor anything
be thou therefore without fear for in the heart of the coward virtue abideth not.
And "All the kingdoms of the world" implies that God knows about all the great civilizations of the world...obviously he never showed up in Central America and said "Hey, I'm the one true God". Of course its not that he didn't care about saving the souls of Mayan people, it means he doesn't exist and this was all written by a guy thousands of years ago that didn't know about the American Continent or that the World isn't flat and is without a Super Mountain.
You continue to prove that you really have not the slightest idea of what is said in the bible, and yet somehow finding justification to attempt disapproving it all. It was within Satan's power to show Jesus be it through words or even visions the kingdoms of the world that he himself owned. You yourself mention how it's impossible for such a high mountain, and your right, but there are other varibles also as with any written story.
IcarusUnderWater wrote:
Well yes I agree with you! But it comes from a time where people thought beyond the basic bullshit and sought a more devine meaning than fashion and Britney Spears. No doubt they were not exactly right... but they were closer to the target than any of the material bullshit today's society could come up with?
Heh well, this exact sequence of events and how people act today is even prophesied in the bible. As for the recommendation, try the new world translation english bible, it's far more eaiser to read and is one of the better translations around.
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I dont believe in any religion,but also we can not tell what really happened before the big bang,if there is some kind of God I dont think he is what most people think,I think we wouldnt be able to comprehend him, some vids I like
Sam Harris: Does anyone else see a problem with that?
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=RqjB31xiE9k&feature=related
Sam Harris: Bible/Koran are the work of God?
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=G7vYDs6BP2M&feature=related
I have wanted to read Sam Harris book The End of Faith for some time now,but for some reason havent picked up.
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject:
Honestly the first two words that come to my mind when I hear the word god(especially when the "g" is capitolized) is "fear" and "control". I really just can't understand what makes God any different from what Westerners(well Christians in general) call pagan gods like the ones in mythology.
I mean really how come every Christian that has ever been my misfortune to know, goes on and on about how good "there" God is and other gods, to them, are absurd imaginations that never existed. What makes God anymore real than Ptah, an Egyptian god of creation and eternity? How can God, a possibly make-believe deity, help anyone?
I can't wait to witness the fall of Christianity, the day when it'll be coined as a pathological myth. :/
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And "All the kingdoms of the world" implies that God knows about all the great civilizations of the world...obviously he never showed up in Central America and said "Hey, I'm the one true God". Of course its not that he didn't care about saving the souls of Mayan people, it means he doesn't exist and this was all written by a guy thousands of years ago that didn't know about the American Continent or that the World isn't flat and is without a Super Mountain.
You continue to prove that you really have not the slightest idea of what is said in the bible, and yet somehow finding justification to attempt disapproving it all. It was within Satan's power to show Jesus be it through words or even visions the kingdoms of the world that he himself owned. You yourself mention how it's impossible for such a high mountain, and your right, but there are other varibles also as with any written story.
I don't think God would write the Bible so only a few could understand it. Does that make any sense? No. So I think I'll take what it says at face value
Ummm why doesn't the Bible mention the American Continent or the Mayans?...or any other civilization that would have been unknown to the Biblical writers? You don't think that its a little suspect that the Bible ignores...like 95% of the world, if not more? I mean, if God wanted to make a point, he'd list every great nation and send Jesus there on a cloud or something...why not? Why did God that claims to be the one true God, ignore most of the World and just show up in one place? Everyone knows what the missionaries did, destroyed every culture they could and shoved God down peoples' throats...couldn't God have done better himself, far sooner?
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Fear not at all; fear neither men nor Fates, nor gods, nor anything
be thou therefore without fear for in the heart of the coward virtue abideth not.
Honestly the first two words that come to my mind when I hear the word god(especially when the "g" is capitolized) is "fear" and "control". I really just can't understand what makes God any different from what Westerners(well Christians in general) call pagan gods like the ones in mythology.
I mean really how come every Christian that has ever been my misfortune to know, goes on and on about how good "there" God is and other gods, to them, are absurd imaginations that never existed. What makes God anymore real than Ptah, an Egyptian god of creation and eternity? How can God, a possibly make-believe deity, help anyone?
I can't wait to witness the fall of Christianity, the day when it'll be coined as a pathological myth. :/
Don't worry, Christianity has been on the decline for years. Scaring people to make them believe doesn't work and promising them bliss everlasting doesn't work...people have science now and don't worry that evil spirits will attack them in the night
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Fear not at all; fear neither men nor Fates, nor gods, nor anything
be thou therefore without fear for in the heart of the coward virtue abideth not.
_________________ Intellectual honesty is characterized by a readiness to scrutinize what one believes to be true, and to pay sufficient attention to other evidence available
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:51 am Post subject:
MotherWolff wrote:
Honestly the first two words that come to my mind when I hear the word god(especially when the "g" is capitolized) is "fear" and "control". I really just can't understand what makes God any different from what Westerners(well Christians in general) call pagan gods like the ones in mythology.
I mean really how come every Christian that has ever been my misfortune to know, goes on and on about how good "there" God is and other gods, to them, are absurd imaginations that never existed. What makes God anymore real than Ptah, an Egyptian god of creation and eternity? How can God, a possibly make-believe deity, help anyone?
I can't wait to witness the fall of Christianity, the day when it'll be coined as a pathological myth. :/
I agree with you on this one in a way, but the only way someone can think that a God can help them, is that it creates a comfort zone for them, a placebo effect of such, and we have scientific proof that the palcebo effect actuially works.- thats the only way in which i can see it working.
There is no one god, there isn't a god.
Each concept of a god is a spin off from each other, it all comes down to the same basis that there is something out there, that created us, make a path in life etc etc.
No one god is better then another, its the actions of the people who believe that make the religion.
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