Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:30 am Post subject: Re: What about GOD, Can he help?
Prescious wrote:
Has anybody had any success with God and prayer and church by itself?
As far as being completely healed of social phobia my answer is no, but as far as staying alive and having things to live for the answer is yes. If it wasn't for my faith in God I would have been dead a long time ago.
Honestly the first two words that come to my mind when I hear the word god(especially when the "g" is capitolized) is "fear" and "control". I really just can't understand what makes God any different from what Westerners(well Christians in general) call pagan gods like the ones in mythology.
I mean really how come every Christian that has ever been my misfortune to know, goes on and on about how good "there" God is and other gods, to them, are absurd imaginations that never existed. What makes God anymore real than Ptah, an Egyptian god of creation and eternity? How can God, a possibly make-believe deity, help anyone?
I can't wait to witness the fall of Christianity, the day when it'll be coined as a pathological myth. :/
I agree with you on this one in a way, but the only way someone can think that a God can help them, is that it creates a comfort zone for them, a placebo effect of such, and we have scientific proof that the palcebo effect actuially works.- thats the only way in which i can see it working.
There is no one god, there isn't a god.
Each concept of a god is a spin off from each other, it all comes down to the same basis that there is something out there, that created us, make a path in life etc etc.
No one god is better then another, its the actions of the people who believe that make the religion.
If you want to know some real weird stuff...look how the story of Osiris is closely like Jesus. Osiris was known as the "slain and the risen." sound familiar? Even Hercules and Zeus. Hercules, the son of a God of Thunder, born of a mortal woman. Even the face of Jesus was modeled after Zeus' face, since nobody was sure what Jesus looked like, they took the face of Zeus and used that as a model.
Even tho Christians worship a single God, the Angels became a sorta-kinda-pretty much deities in themselves in which certain Angels you pray to for certain things. Even Saints are prayed to for certain purposes that are unique to that Saint
_________________
Fear not at all; fear neither men nor Fates, nor gods, nor anything
be thou therefore without fear for in the heart of the coward virtue abideth not.
Guess there is no point in me posting then, since you people refuse to listen to anything.
There are many many seperate Christian religions, and to be honest most are far from following the bible. Saint's for example are not mentioned in the bible, and besides two, nor are angelic names in fact on more than one occasion an angel refused to say their name in fear of the hearers to use it in worship, and also in humbleness to his god.
Me personally as a aspiring Jehovah's Witness focus on what the bible really says. With even a rough understanding of the bible, it's clear who the true Christians are by observing their actions, Jesus himself said so.
If you want I could hold hands with you, and dance around yelling 'Religion sucks.' because I fully agree with this, in fact I have done that for a long time. But there is more to it, and it's not enough just to dislike it.
_________________ Intellectual honesty is characterized by a readiness to scrutinize what one believes to be true, and to pay sufficient attention to other evidence available
Joined: May 16, 2008 Posts: 72 Location: in the uk south west
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:55 am Post subject:
Doomed2Die wrote:
Guess there is no point in me posting then, since you people refuse to listen to anything.
Tou = grouping = a problem with religion it groups people into sects.
Doomed2Die wrote:
There are many many seperate Christian religions, and to be honest most are far from following the bible. Saint's for example are not mentioned in the bible, and besides two, nor are angelic names in fact on more than one occasion an angel refused to say their name in fear of the hearers to use it in worship, and also in humbleness to his god.
Me personally as a aspiring Jehovah's Witness focus on what the bible
really says. With even a rough understanding of the bible, it's clear who the true Christians are by observing their actions, Jesus himself said so.
They could say that about you the other christians because they worship a slightly different version of the bible. What makes yours the correct one?
Doomed2Die wrote:
If you want I could hold hands with you, and dance around yelling 'Religion sucks.' because I fully agree with this, in fact I have done that for a long time. But there is more to it, and it's not enough just to dislike it.
To be honest doomed2die we have never said 'Religion sucks'. we are just debating the concept of having a belief, and that we do not believe in the way that you do or other religios people, that does not make us bad people or enough to hold hands and dance (paganistic rituals?). Unfortunatly you are only seeing it from your veiw i understand that you were not relgiious and now you are, but as having a free choice to believe in what we want, we also have the choice to critise your beliefs in the way that you do in you believeing in a certain set of rules you critise us for not having the same as you.
Joined: Apr 28, 2008 Posts: 39 Location: in the center of the moon that glides above Detroit, Michigan
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject:
scruffpot wrote:
MotherWolff wrote:
Honestly the first two words that come to my mind when I hear the word god(especially when the "g" is capitolized) is "fear" and "control". I really just can't understand what makes God any different from what Westerners(well Christians in general) call pagan gods like the ones in mythology.
I mean really how come every Christian that has ever been my misfortune to know, goes on and on about how good "there" God is and other gods, to them, are absurd imaginations that never existed. What makes God anymore real than Ptah, an Egyptian god of creation and eternity? How can God, a possibly make-believe deity, help anyone?
I can't wait to witness the fall of Christianity, the day when it'll be coined as a pathological myth. :/
I agree with you on this one in a way, but the only way someone can think that a God can help them, is that it creates a comfort zone for them, a placebo effect of such, and we have scientific proof that the palcebo effect actuially works.- thats the only way in which i can see it working.
There is no one god, there isn't a god.
Each concept of a god is a spin off from each other, it all comes down to the same basis that there is something out there, that created us, make a path in life etc etc.
No one god is better then another, its the actions of the people who believe that make the religion.
Yeah I wanted to mention that as well but I suddenly forgot the term was known as "placebo effect".
Besides the whole fear and control thing I mentioned earlier, I think there are people who believe in God, praying to Him and worshipping Him, because they are downright scared of the unknown.But now we have *drum roll please^_^* science to offer us explanation(on some things however) like what Thelema said about modern science being a much more rational and reliable source than religion(especially Christianity).
I guess science is still not very comforting for some people(religous people), so they have to "make-believe" the most bizarre theologies(some of which are actually quite positive like the book of Psalms and Proverbs) just to feel protected. Yes, isn't that a placebo effect?
I will admit though, the very thought that there is no god is quite frightening to me, especially when I grew up believing that there is one. I'm terribly scared of the unknown(like what will happen to us when we die). Seeing things that way I can understand why a religous person is religous to begin with. It is for this reason alone that I might someday turn to religion once again(hopefully not Christianity:/).
I wish I knew of a religion, or some kind of teaching, that didn't contain so many strict doctrines to follow as if to threaten and bribe me. I wonder what buhdduism and hinduism is like?
_________________ The Lone Wolf's Cry
Lonely now, as I always was, I cry the lonely cry of a wolf. -By Nadine Mondrae,age 13
and that we do not believe in the way that you do or other religios people... Unfortunatly you are only seeing it from your veiw
Uh huh, how biased of me. Admittedly all this prejustice and sweeping generalisations kinda hits a nerve with me. For all these so called "free-thinkers" it's pretty shallow.
I didnt once say what you believed is bad, neither did I mention grouping (that was kinda absurd scruff). I am only talking of the bible, and my personal experiences in light of it. And please, virtually every single translation is identical in getting the message across, should "Christians" choose not to consider certain rules, that does not change what is written in the bible...
MotherWolff wrote:
I wish I knew of a religion, or some kind of teaching, that didn't contain so many strict doctrines to follow as if to threaten and bribe me. I wonder what buhdduism and hinduism is like?
Or you could try studying the bible. All the rules are common sense anyway. Please, try getting a study with some Jehovah's Witnesses, in all seriousness what is the harm in trying it out?
_________________ Intellectual honesty is characterized by a readiness to scrutinize what one believes to be true, and to pay sufficient attention to other evidence available
[quote=Or you could try studying the bible. All the rules are common sense anyway. Please, try getting a study with some Jehovah's Witnesses, in all seriousness what is the harm in trying it out?[/quote]
Jehovah's witnesses? Aren't they those Morman people that ride their bikes around annoying people? You gotta be pretty wacko to be a Morman...like Scientology kinda wacko. Sorry, I know thats really mean, but...come on.
Did you know that the Morman religion is actually racist? They also believe the Native Americans were white people that were cursed by God...my dad is Native American, fuck you
_________________
Fear not at all; fear neither men nor Fates, nor gods, nor anything
be thou therefore without fear for in the heart of the coward virtue abideth not.
Joined: May 16, 2008 Posts: 72 Location: in the uk south west
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject:
Doomed2Die wrote:
That was a figure of speech and you know it.
Maybe the whole concept of the bible was a figure of speech? That someone was so peed off with the way society was 2000 years ago, she/he wrote a book.
Doomed2Die wrote:
Uh huh, how biased of me. Admittedly all this prejustice and sweeping generalisations kinda hits a nerve with me. For all these so called "free-thinkers" it's pretty shallow.
Why is it pretty shallow, we can have an opinion if we want, we are not targeting or generalizing your version of bible, we have been talking about different concepts plus the whole concepts of having a belief and the problems, the contradictions and so forth. Also if we all believed the same then we wouldn't have an opinion, ass there is no one true religion or set of beliefs.
Doomed2Die wrote:
I didnt once say what you believed is bad, neither did I mention grouping (that was kinda absurd scruff). I am only talking of the bible, and my personal experiences in light of it. And please, virtually every single translation is identical in getting the message across, should "Christians" choose not to consider certain rules, that does not change what is written in the bible...
The bible has been changed and adapted and it depends what version you read depends on what the bible says.
Religion is about grouping, placing people in groups according to beliefs, tribalism. Giving each belief a name where everybody worships some sort of idol/s but in their own way, the same sort of concept of belonging to a football team. tribalism can been seen back as far as the Neanderthal stages, where there is a leader and everyone follows its the same as in packs of animals.
Doomed2Die wrote:
Or you could try studying the bible. All the rules are common sense anyway. Please, try getting a study with some Jehovah's Witnesses, in all seriousness what is the harm in trying it out?
There are some common sense in some of the rules of the bibles for example some of the 10 commandments, but isn't that common sense for a society to be based on? But then there are are some rules that are not common sense. But doesn't it say that
EZ 20:25 God says that he intentionally gave out bad laws. (This means that God-given laws or commandments are sometimes suspect.)
To be honest i'm not religious I understand totally the concepts of religion prayer beliefs structures different religions etc. I chose my own way in life to be what and who ever i want to be, i do not even believe in the concept of having a soul, when we are dead we are dead. its in my rights not to be classified in a belief structure, you cannot predict the future, you do not have path in life, that is why religious predictions have never been proven to happen. Being that i do not believe in anything i even see the concept of atheism is wrong as it gives a title to a non-belief leading to preconceptions.
Joined: May 16, 2008 Posts: 72 Location: in the uk south west
Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject:
Thelema wrote:
Did you know that the Morman religion is actually racist? They also believe the Native Americans were white people that were cursed by God..
There is racisim where ever we look never mind it in religion.
You could even look at extremists and the way that they think "we are not like them so we must be destroyed".
You could even go back to the christian missionaries who plunded America, India Africa the deepest jungles of most countries trying to spread the word of god, but killing just about everyone in the process, because they saw people who didn't believe were not civilized nations. - however today we know as educated citizens that is still wrong but there is a minority that do not.
Unfortunately and fortunately, (in some ways) we live in a democracy where we have the freedom to believe in what we want, say what we want - to an extent within laws. BUT unfortunately being we are in this climate some people use the concept of racism in their beliefs which is wrong because in religion/ the bible it says "We should love one another". People use racism in their belief structure to make sure they (as they see it) do not weaken out their link dilute the blood, that they pick a certain type of person and just breed with that, which is why in some religions inter-marital relations begin to happen = in breeding.
I suppose it could be worse we could all be brainwashed to one religion and have no say it what or what we believe in, which is why there is no one perfect religion.
To be honest one of the reasons why there has been a lot of spin offs from Christianity and that other religions have taken off over the last 100 years is because people have got bored with the mainstream version of Christianity, the teachings of the bible, church on Sunday, it being poured down our neck at school etc etc is why religion such as Jehovah witness has taken off (established in the early 1900), Scientology off the back of the 1960 space race sci-fi, the moons, other sects the rise in spirituality etc. they offer something slightly different then the mainstream. plus you have to look that humankind has got clever and has a fixation with power, therefore create you own religion.
_________________ Forget all religions and silly silly Scientology join my cult of randomness instead
http://www.cultofrandom.com
Jehovah's witnesses? Aren't they those Morman people that ride their bikes around annoying people? You gotta be pretty wacko to be a Morman...like Scientology kinda wacko. Sorry, I know thats really mean, but...come on.
Did you know that the Morman religion is actually racist? They also believe the Native Americans were white people that were cursed by God...my dad is Native American, fuck you
Lol wow... That was an interesting read. Thelema, JW's have nothing to do with Mormans and are in fact very multicultural.
Scruff, I study the bible. The versions dispite few differences, all have the same structure and same messages. And why on earth are you criticising me on enforcing beliefs when your doing it yourself? That's not discussion it's bickering, and that does not matter much since (I say yet again) im merely speaking in behalf of what the bible says.
scruffpot wrote:
To be honest one of the reasons why... with power, therefore create you own religion.
Different sects of Christianity have been around for a long long time, and pagan practices even longer. And well, yes JW's are relatively new. But should one be interested in the bible it's within scripture that the house of god will only become apparent in the last days (or words to that effect). I would post the thing, but im still looking for it.
_________________ Intellectual honesty is characterized by a readiness to scrutinize what one believes to be true, and to pay sufficient attention to other evidence available
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
86 guests
20 members
Forum FAQ
Search
Profile
Private messages
Log in
