ewww i think masterbation is so wrong. I am not judging any one here....I mean I guess I know why some one with anxiety would want to do that more, because you dont find pleasure in anything you do during the day, but DONT resort to masterbation! Its against my morals so its easier for me to 'resist' it but why wouldnt some one rather wait to find a special some one instead of doing that to your self??
I think you should focus on getting better in the long run than a "quick fix" to make you feel better which is what masterbation does.
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject:
pinkputter wrote:
ewww i think masterbation is so wrong. I am not judging any one here....I mean I guess I know why some one with anxiety would want to do that more, because you dont find pleasure in anything you do during the day, but DONT resort to masterbation! Its against my morals so its easier for me to 'resist' it but why wouldnt some one rather wait to find a special some one instead of doing that to your self??
I think you should focus on getting better in the long run than a "quick fix" to make you feel better which is what masterbation does.
How can you say you're not judging people for masturbating and then insist that they don't lol? Not being mean but that doesn't make much sense to me.
Personally I think masturbation and sex with someone you love are two totally different things, so waiting for someone you love doesn't come into it.
Masturbation isn't a way of fixing sa, depression or anything else, it's a natural thing that people do and so I don't see how it can be described as a quick fix either.
Whether or not someone masturbates is their own personal decision, it doesn't harm anyone (including the person doing it) and so why not?
Yossarian, I really liked your post lol.
Surely the only thing to say about this subject is each to their own, if you want to masturbate then go for it, if you don't then don't? Any argument as to why someone should or shouldn't is totally subjective and relative to the person's own beliefs.
Whether or not someone masturbates is their own personal decision, it doesn't harm anyone (including the person doing it) and so why not?
Crazyfairy....i will definitely give you props for arguing well! I will just say that people who win "debates" doesnt necessarily mean they have a more valid point. I have witnessed this so much. Some one appears to have "won" when really they just argue better. ANYWAYS....
The fact that something doesn't harm some one is a horrible excuse to rationalize something. Thinking about enjoying raping some one doesn't hurt that person...cause im just thinking about it! In order to masterbate, the person thinks of unpure thoughts. And you said its ok for those people who don't think its wrong, because its just pleasure. Well it would be "pleasure" for some one who thinks its wrong. Just because i think its wrong doesnt mean it wouldnt be pleasureable to me. But its a temptation I choose not to get into.
I am aware that SA doesnt have to do with masterbation...but this is aforum for SA, so thats why I said that. AND youre right, people have to make their own decisions, but you can agree that some decisions are more right than others, and I am explaining to you why i feel the way i do so that you can see the reasoning behind it and make up your own mind...Didnt think i had to explain that
Some one else brought this up, and I wanted to add that there were studies done (Psychology studies) that showed that men who watch porn over time affects their ability to fertelize, or become aroused. I just think this is a great example of karma because the whole reason why they are watching porn is their craving of sex, yet it affects their ability in the end. Basically I feel like your thoughts make up your chracter, and masterbation and porn, etc affect your thoughts, and cause you to think about it more....thereby affecting your character.
Joined: Jul 07, 2005 Posts: 922 Location: United Kingdom
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject:
Firstly, rape does harm someone, the person who is being raped is being harmed greatly, with masturbation there is no victim. I don't think there is any way masturbation can be related to rape or thoughts of rape. Thoughts of rape don't just involve self pleasure, they involve thoughts of extreme violence and enjoyment from someone else's pain, which in my opinion are totally different from the usual sexy thoughts people have.
I'm not debating, or trying to 'win' I'm just sharing my views as are you. I personally think I do have a valid point, otherwise I would just be talking rubbish which I don't think I am.
If someone is morally against chocolate because it is unhealthy it would still probably taste good to them, so your point about maturbation being pleasurable for someone who thinks it's wrong is of course correct, but I don't see what difference it makes?
Whether or not masturbation is wrong depends on the person. Whether or not 'impure' thoughts are wrong is dependant on the person. Yes your thoughts affect your character, but I would rather be an open person who accepts my sexy thoughts once in a while than someone who represses them and isn't okay with their sexuality, which I feel I would be if I battled against my occasional naughty thoughts, because I think they are a natural part of being a sexual being. It's when they become obsessive and excessive that there is a problem.
Some decisions are better than others and some decisions don't really matter too much either way.
People who masturbate do not necessarily watch porn and I have studied Psychology and I know that studies can be manipulated to show whatever the reseacher is trying to prove. There have been studies that prove both that it is harmless and harmful and so is a good example that research is affected by the researcher.
Whether or not someone masturbates is up to the individual, I don't think it's anyone else's place to tell someone that they should or should not masturbate. If someone chooses not to then that's their decision, but they shouldn't tell others not to, just as someone who masturbates shouldn't tell someone who doesn't want to that they should.
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Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 12:09 am Post subject:
I do not know if it is even worth putting a guilt trip on anyone about masturbation. Even the bible doesn't have anything against it. It is probably up to whatever makes eache individual happy. To me, it is far better to masturbate than to risk contracting an STD and/or bringing a child into the world to suffer for your errors.
LOL, damn my post had alot of activity over the past months...lots of Great Responses!
Hard to let such a thread end without a few google news source sources:
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I wish I'd been here at the time to debate this. This is golden. I know I'm dragging August into October now, but I want to reply to this.
pinkputter wrote:
ewww i think masterbation is so wrong. DONT resort to masterbation! Its against my morals so its easier for me to 'resist' it but why wouldnt some one rather wait to find a special some one instead of doing that to your self??
I think you should focus on getting better in the long run than a "quick fix" to make you feel better which is what masterbation does.
I'd be very interested to hear more about what your "morals" are, and how you have chosen to live your life, because it's hard to debate with you not knowing that information. I assume it's religion?
I've never had sex (not really a choice, I'm just loser), but I think I understand the sexual urge quite well. When I was younger I thought sex was the holy grail... I thought it would be the most wonderful meaningful thing... that losing your virginity is a special event you should do with someone who loves you.... and from that moment you should only be with someone you love.
But you know what? That's all romanticised crap. Sex is sex. Orgasms are orgasms. Having sex with a loving partner certainly gives a sense of meaning to the physical act - it becomes an expression of love. But the physical act itself does not need to be put on a pedestal.
A loving couple do not always lay down on satin sheets and whisper "I love you"s into each others ears as they make sweet sweet love. They SCREW! They puff and pant and sweat and laugh and giggle and orgasm! They try to achieve orgasm because the orgasm itself is pleasurable. Their love makes it a meaningful part of their relationship; but the act itself is full of sweat and smelliness and squelchy noises -- everything that non-loving sex consists of too!
Stimulating your genitals to orgasm is just an activity. It's just one of many things people do for fun. Like most things, the depth of satisfaction comes from who you share it with. Lets use another example: going to the cinema. On your own is kind of lonely, with a friend is fun, with your lover is satisfying. But the movie is the same in all cases.
So I don't understand why your morals say that's perfectly okay within a relationship but somehow emotionally self-abusive without. It's probably most psychologically stable within a relationship. And I admit that a lot of people who have wild casual sex do so because they are unhappy and unstable. I personally do not want to have casual sex because I wouldn't enjoy the lifestyle.
But this topic is masturbation, which I choose to do regularly and I think I'm still a good, intelligent worthy human being. I say it is no more or less impure than sex with a loving partner. It's far less emotionally satisfying of course, but that doesn't cause any corruption of character, and it doesn't degrade or disrespect anyone, least of all myself. It's just an activity.
The orgasm is just a daily part of life. If you've disciplined yourself not to have one until a future period of your life when someone else can give one to you, you may lose touch with how... normal it is to have one daily. How it's just not a big deal. How it doesn't really say anything about your character, any more than whether you drink Coke or Pepsi.
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In order to masterbate, the person thinks of unpure thoughts. Basically I feel like your thoughts make up your chracter, and masterbation and porn, etc affect your thoughts, and cause you to think about it more....thereby affecting your character.
Why does a person have a bad character if they enjoy the activity of giving and receiving orgasms; something which loving couples also enjoy? I really want to learn more about your chosen morals, it's fascinating (and I'm not being patronising there, I really mean it). I believe that thinking about sex promotes a love of life - a love of the human animal - a love of the opposite gender. Your morals probably want to argue that lust promotes disrespect, and I'd love to hear that argument. I'd like you to explain the nature of that disrespect, because I personally don't see it.
I'd like to get back to the loving couple, panting and sweating and squelching in their marital bed. According to your rules they're having the only morally-acceptable sex. Yet their "characters" are also as impure as mine, because their minds are powered by the same thoughts that you say are "impure". Love doesn't power their imaginations when they try new positions and different ways to climax; lust does. But that's okay because they love each other, right?
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)...so, i don't see what's wrong with it 
