Social Anxiety is NOT Mental Illness!!

chicagoanxiety

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I don't like the term mentally ill. Some incorrect views I've heard regarding people with social anxiety is that they may be prone to hear and see things that aren't there, may be dangerous, violent, or prone to crimminal acts ect. Television and the media motivates these beliefs by displaying loners and quiet people in a negative light.

It also doesn't mean the depression those with social anxiety experience is "always" a genetic or chemical mood disorder. Sure someone with social anxiety may be depressed, but it's usually not due to a chemical or genetic component. The depression arises when one is not able to fully participate in life on a social level. Individuals can't be grouped together. Some people do have chemical inbalances that cause their depression to occur, but I think that differs from depression caused by thinking and learned behavior. Each person has a different cause and orgin of their symptoms. These are all just my personal opnions based on my life experiences, others may disagree.

Truth be told, most of us have acceptable social skills. It's just that our anxiety in social situations prevents us from utilizing those skills and sharing them with others. I could be the best dancer in the world, but if experiences of my past placed me on floors hot enough to burn through my shoes, chances are I'd be afraid of dancing on floors in the future even if they weren't hot. I know it's not the best analogy, but I'm just trying to explain that most of our problem is learned behavior, shaped by environment. There may also be the possibility that some people are more predisposed because they have more sensitive temperments. It's no misake that the highest levels of anxiety are found in the U.S. and other technologically advanced countries. We are trained to move too fast, and aspire to a certain temperment which is unnatural for some people. For those of us with sensitive temperments, exercise, relaxation, careful selection of foods, ect are very important.

Society wouldn't label someone who is afraid of snakes or flying as mentally ill, so why are social phobics grouped in that category? A phobia is a phobia, and phobias are caused by increased anxiety when confronted with certain stimuli. I'm not sure what terminology should be used to distingused the socially anxious from the mentally ill, but there is definitely a need for one. I think social anxiety is a behavioral issue that needs to be adjusted and/or corrected when it reaches excessive levels. If someone has anger issues, they aren't labeled mentally ill are they? They are taught ways to manage their anger and/or outbursts to normal or manageable levels. Keep in mind that problems have to be labeled as diseases, disorders, ect to be approved for medications by the FDA. That's big business, which is why any and everything is labeled as an illness, especially if it affects many people. Obesity Disease is another example of labeling to make money by big business.

Yes some people have serious mental disturbances along with social anxiety. That doesn't mean social anxiety is a mental illness. Just my opinion. Regardless of what the psychological professionals state, I do not consider social anxiety a mental illness.
 

chicagoanxiety

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Hi Taws, I respect your decision to consider it a mental illness, and you are not alone with that belief. However, I disagree. The field of psychology also confused epilepsy and other conditions with mental illness in the past. I would personally take the "diagnosis" with a grain of salt, and just recognize that learned behavior, thinking, and environment are the greatest determinants of change. The need to group every state into a "mental illness" category because it is not socially acceptable is not beneficial. Many people accept these labels as law, and develop a sense of hopelessness because someone with initials behind their name confirmed it as true. I disagree with the term mental illness.
 

Bexi

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Too right TAWS! I'm so not ashamed, but some ppl on here seem to be saying we should be?? I don't just have SA, i also have clinical depression, so YES I AM!
 

chicagoanxiety

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To each his own

Bexi, I can't speak for others, but I never said anyone should feel "ashamed". In fact, I am not here to tell anyone they should not loudly proclaim I AM MENTALLY ILL. If that works for you, that is ok. However, it doesn't work for me. That is why I didn't respond to messages in the previous thread to debate beliefs about whether social anxiety is a mental illness or not. I simply started an alternate thread for those who feel differently. I respect your decisions, please respect mine. :)
 

Mykul

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hehe.. were not saying we dont repect ur beliefs =]
where just saying we have different ones =P
I totally respect yours
 

Bexi

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I really don't care if you do or don't respect my beliefs at all, like i'm sure you don't about me, and i don't ask people to respond to my messages in other threads. Don't personally attack people on here please.
 

chicagoanxiety

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Bexi you responded to a thread I created, so I assumed you were open for an exchange of ideas. If you'd prefer that I not respond to your messages that's ok too. Concerning "attack", I have done no such thing. That is your perception. I did no more than state my belief, which you and others responded to, and I did likewise. The only thing I'm guilty of is not agreeing with your views. All of you are welcome to your own beliefs, just as I am. Have a great Sunday. :)
 

SaharaWorld

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chicagoanxiety said:
I don't like the term mentally ill. Having social anxiety does not mean someone hears and sees things that aren't there, it doesn't mean they are dangerous, violent, or prone to crimminal acts. It also doesn't mean there is a mood disorder. Sure someone with social anxiety may be depressed, but it's usually not due to a chemical or genetic component. The depression arises when one is not able to fully participate in life on a social level.
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I completely agree with everything you mentioned about social anxiety not being a mental illness - however, it appears that you believe people who are mentally ill are 'dangerous, violent, or prone to crimminal acts'.

Although the media certainly portrays it this way - people with mental illnesses, even those suffering from psychosis are very RARELY violent. They are infact more likely to harm themselves than other people, i.e. through cutting, self-harm and even suicide - all of which are exacerbated by the discrimination & stigma they face, as well as other people's attitudes.
 

chicagoanxiety

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Hi Sahara, actually I think 95% of people who are mentally ill are not dangerous. I was just trying to explain some of the stereotypes I have read and/or heard by other people regarding individuals who are loners, quiet, or shy. I agree with you completely. :)
 

chicagoanxiety

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To avoid misunderstandings, I've clarified the first two paragraphs in my first message and stated:

"I don't like the term mentally ill. Some incorrect views I've heard regarding people with social anxiety is that they may be prone to hear and see things that aren't there, may be dangerous, violent, or prone to crimminal acts ect. Television and the media motivates these beliefs by displaying loners and quiet people in a negative light.

It also doesn't mean the depression those with social anxiety experience is "always" a genetic or chemical mood disorder. Sure someone with social anxiety may be depressed, but it's usually not due to a chemical or genetic component. The depression arises when one is not able to fully participate in life on a social level. Individuals can't be grouped together. Some people do have chemical inbalances that cause their depression to occur, but I think that differs from depression caused by thinking and learned behavior. Each person has a different cause and orgin of their symptoms. These are all just my personal opnions based on my life experiences, others may disagree."

Thanks for pointing out the first paragraph to me Sahara.
 

SaharaWorld

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chicagoanxiety said:
Hi Sahara, actually I think 95% of people who are mentally ill are not dangerous. I was just trying to explain some of the stereotypes I have read and/or heard by other people regarding individuals who are loners, quiet, or shy.

Ah oops, sorry for misunderstanding your message :)
 

triceratops

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I wish I hadn't started that thread :roll: I don't see anything wrong with being mentally ill first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem :lol: everyone wants to get over sa/sp so maybe it's a good thing.
 

magda74

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I'm of the school of thought, that our brains run on chemical and electrical pulses and reactions. If that system isn't running properly that's an illness which happens to be in the brain. I believe there are no minds or bodies out there that are working absolutely perfectly, so we're all functioning on different degrees of "mental illness". Who's perfectly sane and who gets to decide what sane is? There's no control group out there.

Mental illness is a fact, like all of our other illnesses. These are just symptoms of something that needs to be fixed. The problem is the terrible stigma that comes with it. I believe that the only reason this stigma exists, is because it's the area of the body we know the least about and have little control over.

Fear of anything tends to be directly preportionate to how much control we have over it. I don't like the term either, but because of how it's defined.
 

chicagoanxiety

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I agree, the first step is admitting there is a problem. I agree there is a problem with behavior, pattern of thinking, and other aspects. I just don't agree that makes it a mental illnesss. My disagreement with the latter, does not mean I am in denial.

There are many holistic counselors, and therapists who REFUSE to use labels at all, and prefer to coach and guide their clients without utilizing diagnostic labels as written in stone. The mind is complicated and extremely diverse.

BTW, because everyone does not have the same belief, or disagree, is no reason to regret starting the thread. I personally am happy that you did, because it will allow those who respond or just quietly lurk, to consider the possibilities.
 

magda74

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Well Scyth, I'm glad you started the thread. This is exactly why so many people go so long before seeking help. There's a great deal of shame connected to these issues. It's something that we should be able to debate.

No good comes from being overly agreeable. If every post was followed by I agree emoticons and you're the best type comments, this forum would be useless.
 

SaharaWorld

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chicagoanxiety said:
It also doesn't mean the depression those with social anxiety experience is a genetic or chemical mood disorder. Sure someone with social anxiety may be depressed, but it's usually not due to a chemical or genetic component. The depression arises when one is not able to fully participate in life on a social level. Individuals can't be grouped together]

When I spoke to my GP about my social anxiety and mentioned that it made me feel depressed from time to time, she wrote down, in her referral letter that I suffer from depression and anxiety. This for me is completely false and also a huge concern because not giving accurate, precise information or labelling/diagnosing someone as having certain conditions when they don't , could mean that they'll end up getting the wrong form of treatment.

The only reason I feel depressed is because of the SA. If it wasn't for the SA, the depression would't even exist.

Feeling depressed from time to time (something most people experience and is a reaction to painful/stressful life situations ) is not the same as suffering from clinical depression - where people could even wake up one morning and feel depressed for no apparent reason.
 
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