Sugar addiction?

MikeyC

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Sugar is said to be one of the most addictive substances in the world - worse than heroin and cocaine. With it being so readily available in every second food we see, it's no wonder.

I have a sugar addiction, too, as chocolate is one of my favourite foods in existence. I hope you find a nice balance between the two. There's no need to cut out sugar completely, but moderating your intake is the key.

All of this is common knowledge already, but sometimes you have to remind yourself of it.
 

thegunners21

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The things about artificial sweetners are true. Aspartame is by far the worse, but they others are also pretty bad. And you say you put flavoring in your water, which has A LOT of artificial sweetners and preservatives. I know someone who drinks Mio straight from the bottle and it's like he's on speed.

Do you have any credible sources to back up this claim. From what I've read, it's mostly just a hoax about the aspartame being worse than sugar. (not saying it's better than sugar, just as bad as sugar)
 

thegunners21

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Interesting, this diet seems very strict though. Reading about it, it looks like you are supposed to avoid all sugars possible, even fruit? No sugar might not be plausible for me right now, but I think it could be learned. It does sound like torture, but the benefits could be worth it. What exactly can you eat on the candida diet? There is a pretty extensive list of the things you should avoid. I was just looking at this and wow!

ummmm...what the hell is there left to eat?
 

thegunners21

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This is on the website of the FDA itself. Not that I trust the FDA, but most people do.

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/03/jan03/012203/02p-0317_emc-000199.txt

Who in the world is Dr. Mark Gold? Quick google search shows him as a conspiracy theory loon Aspartame and Formaldehyde (or not…) | What does the Science say?

Encyclopedia of American Loons: #154: Mark Gold

I'd rather with the studies performed by FDA rather than by some conspiracy theorist.

Edit: I tried to find the various "studies" he has cited in this email and found nothing.
 
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Remus

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Interesting, this diet seems very strict though. Reading about it, it looks like you are supposed to avoid all sugars possible, even fruit? No sugar might not be plausible for me right now, but I think it could be learned. It does sound like torture, but the benefits could be worth it. What exactly can you eat on the candida diet? There is a pretty extensive list of the things you should avoid. I was just looking at this and wow!

It is very strict, once you have done the detox part for a few months, you can relax a little. I could not believe how ill I felt at first, the withdrawal lasted a month and then BAM! I was like a spring chicken for the first time in more than 10 years (in body and mind).

Some good recipes on the site, I also lived on Dukan pancakes which I love.

Dukan Diet Oat Bran Galette – Basic Recipe | Dukan Diet Meals
 

Remus

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Eh, that's not what I'd consider a healthy diet. I'm hypoglycemic, so I couldn't go without any sugar at all, and avoiding wheat and dairy would be too difficult and thus too stressful. Besides, I get sick if I don't eat a lot of dairy. Dairy and rice are my main source of protein, since I don't know how to cook meat. I don't really believe in such strict diets unless they're absolutely required. Many of them cause malnutrition.

These diets are based on what we evolved to eat as hunter gatherers. Malnutrition is unheard of compared to people on a processed/junk food diet. If you have that condition, it would be best to visit a dietician.
 

Pacific_Loner

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I could not believe how ill I felt at first, the withdrawal lasted a month and then BAM! I was like a spring chicken for the first time in more than 10 years (in body and mind).

It hurts that so few people know about that. In fact, even some (or most?) doctors will tell you it's dangerous to go on such diet. Keep eating aspartame, MSG and other processed food chemicals, it's better for you! :eek:h:
 
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ummmm...what the hell is there left to eat?

Yeah, pretty much. I don't believe in those diets, either.

We can't really know for sure what our ancestors ate, and there is evidence suggesting they may have had grains then, too (although the grains of yesterday are much different than the mass-produced and over-bred grains of today). People often report feeling so much better on this diet and that, but I really believe that's often simply because they are going from a heavily processed diet to a whole foods diet. I've heard other nutritionists voice this belief. And there are so many - vegan, vegetarian, paleo, candida, gluten-free, Atkins, low-carb, etc. - all claiming to be the "right" diet. So which one is it?

The Harvard School of Public Health has a great nutrition site. I trust them because they actually differ from what the FDA recommends (!), and they make a lot of sense. They say it's best to limit dairy to no more than one serving a day, because, they readily admit, too much dairy isn't good. They say you don't have to eat grains to get all your nutrients, but if you do, go with whole (again, different from the FDA, which says you must eat grains). They also say not to trust any diet that cuts out any single (or more) food group. If it does so, it's probably a fad. We are most likely okay to eat a little of everything. And individuals vary, so if you find certain foods make you ill and you feel better by cutting them out, awesome. But I think some people just go a little too far.

As far as sugar goes, it is really really hard to wrestle with the cravings. I find myself craving fat more than sugar these days, but I do have my moments. As others have said, I think cutting back gradually is best. Drinking nothing but water is a good idea, too (but I would feel deprived without my tea and alcoholic beverages sometimes, and occasional coffee and - rarely - juice).
 
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Remus

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It hurts that so few people know about that. In fact, even some (or most?) doctors will tell you it's dangerous to go on such diet. Keep eating aspartame, MSG and other processed food chemicals, it's better for you! :eek:h:

Errr in the UK they don't. We have Docs pushing healthy diets now along with the government, 5 a day, fresh food and all that.
 

Remus

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People often report feeling so much better on this diet and that, but I really believe that's often simply because they are going from a heavily processed diet to a whole foods diet.

Actually not in my case, I'm a chef and have always done the fresh food and veg route as processed food is disgusting when you look into how its made and what it contains. My diet changed only in cutting out wheat, sugar and the sweeter fruits.

As for grains I had Oatbran, wild and wholemeal rice, Buckwheat and Quinoa.

All I was suggesting though was to give it a try for a couple of months, instead of dismissing it.
 
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Actually not in my case, I'm a chef and have always done the fresh food and veg route as processed food is disgusting when you look into how its made and what it contains. My diet changed only in cutting out wheat, sugar and the sweeter fruits.

As for grains I had Oatbran, wild and wholemeal rice, Buckwheat and Quinoa.

All I was suggesting though was to give it a try for a couple of months, instead of dismissing it.

As far as no grains go, I was referring more to the diets which advocate cutting them out completely (ie Paleo). I honestly don't know much about the diet you are talking about, aside from the quick glance at the "allowed foods" list. So, sorry I didn't take the time to actually look into it first (not sarcastic). I just tend to be skeptical of any of those sorts of eating plans. If there seemed to be definitive evidence that any one of them was "the" diet we all should be eating, I would be all over it. I know that different things work for different people, though, and you won't know unless you try.

Interesting you were already eating well, though, but only felt better after cutting those things out. Most of the time I think people do just go from eating processed foods and then when they're on such and such diet, they find they feel better, without considering the fact that they're simply eating real food for once. But it's different in your case, obviously.

It just makes it more confusing to me. How would a person even know what to cut out of the diet to test to see if they feel better without it? You'd have to do a trial run of cutting out each food group or something (which goes against Harvard's policy :p ) I would think, because some people blame dairy, others blame grains, others blame just carbs, others blame this + that. It's all a bit overwhelming.
 

NathanielWingatePeaslee

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because evil

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Yeah, I don't think I want to go all out on some crazy diet, I'll just take it slow and try to be more mindful of what I am eating and just what is in it. I don't know if sugar or something else is causing problems, if anything, but the only really way to know would be to test it.

Also Nate you are pure evil -_-.
 

Remus

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Yeah good idea. I gave it a go out of desperation. Someone on the migraine forums said it helped immensely, I was already on a low sodium diet at that time for another condition. Didn't expect it to heal my eczema and constant bowel problems that I'd had for years.
 
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