The Atheist Test(by Ray Comfort)

jesuschristschild

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The theory of evolution of the Coca Cola can.

Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola 12 fluid ounces."

Of course, my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.

The banana -- the atheist's nightmare.

Note that the banana:

1. Is shaped for human hand
2. Has non-slip surface
3. Has outward indicators of inward content:
Green-too early,
Yellow-just right,
Black-too late.
4. Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5. Is perforated on wrapper
6. Bio-degradable wrapper
7. Is shaped for human mouth
8. Has a point at top for ease of entry
9. Is pleasing to taste buds
10. Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy

To say that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can.
TEST ONE
The person who thinks the Coca Cola can had no designer is:
___ A. Intelligent
___ B. A fool
___ C. Has an ulterior motive for denying the obvious

EyeDid you know that the eye has 40,000,000 nerve endings, the focusing muscles move an estimated 100,000 times a day, and the retina contains 137,000,000 light sensitive cells?

Charles Darwin said,

"To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

If man cannot begin to make a human eye, how could anyone in his right mind think that eyes formed by mere chance? In fact, man cannot make anything from nothing. We don't know how to do it. We can re-create, reform, develop . . . but we cannot create even one grain of sand from nothing. Yet, the eye is only a small part of the most sophisticated part of creation-the human body.

George Gallup, the famous statistician, said,

"I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity."

Einstein



Albert Einstein said,

"Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe—a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble."




TEST TWO
A. Do you know of any building that didn't have a builder?
___ YES ___ NO

B. Do you know of any painting that didn't have a painter?
___ YES ___ NO

C. Do you know of any car that didn't have a maker?
___ YES ___ NO

If you answered "YES" for any of the above, give details:
_____________________________________________
_____________________________________________

Could I convince you that I dropped 50 oranges onto the ground and they by chance fell into ten rows of five oranges? The logical conclusion is that someone with an intelligent mind put them there. The odds that ten oranges would fall by accident into a straight line are mind-boggling, let alone ten rows of five.

Oranges
TEST THREE
A. From the atom to the universe, is there order?
___ YES ___ NO

B. Did it happen by accident?
___ YES ___ NO

C. Or, must there have been an intelligent mind?
___ YES ___ NO

D. What are the chances of 50 oranges falling by chance
into ten rows of five oranges? ______________________

If you answered "YES" for any of the above, give details:
_____________________________________________
_____________________________________________

The declaration "There is no God" is what is known as an absolute statement. For an absolute statement to be true, I must have absolute knowledge.

Here is another absolute statement: "There is no gold in China."
TEST FOUR
What do I need to have for that statement to be true?
A. No knowledge of China.
___ YES ___ NO

B. Partial knowledge of China.
___ YES ___ NO

C. Absolute knowledge of China.
___ YES ___ NO

"C" is the correct answer. For the statement to be true, I must know that there is no gold in China, or the statement is incorrect. To say "There is no God," and to be correct in the statement, I must be omniscient.

I must know how many hairs are upon every head, every thought of every human heart, every detail of history, every atom within every rock...nothing is hidden from my eyes...I know the intimate details of the secret love-life of the fleas on the back of the black cat of Napolean's great-grandmother. To make the absolute statement "There is no God." I must have absolute knowledge that there isn't one.

ChartLet's say that this circle represents all the knowledge in the entire universe, and let's assume that you have an incredible 1% of all that knowledge. Is it possible, that in the knowledge you haven't yet come across, there is ample evidence to proved that God does indeed exist?

If you are reasonable, you will have to say, "Having the limited knowledge that I have at present, I believe that there is no God." In other words, you don't know if God exists, so you are not an "atheist," you are what is commonly known as an "agnostic." You are like a man who looks at a building, and doesn't know if there was a builder.
TEST FIVE
The man who sees a building and doesn't know if there was a builder is:
___ A. Intelligent
___ B. A fool
___ C. Has an ulterior motive for denying the obvious

Perhaps you have questions that hold you back from faith. First, almost every question you have about suffering humanity etc., can be adequately answered.

tv setSecond, we have faith in plenty of things we don't understand. Did you understand the mechanics of television before you turned it on? Probably not. You took a step of faith, turned it on, and after it worked, understanding how it worked wasn't that important. We accept that there are unseen television waves right in front of our eyes. We can't see them because they are invisible. For them to manifest, we need a receiver, then we can enjoy the experience of television.

receiverGod is not flesh and blood. He is an eternal Spirit-immortal and invisible. Like the television waves, He cannot be experienced until the "receiver" is switched on. Here is something you will find hard to believe: Jesus said, "He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him" (John 14:21).

Either that is true or it isn't. Jesus Christ says that He will manifest Himself to anyone who obeys Him. Approach the subject the same way you approached your first television set. Just take a small step of faith. If it works, enjoy it, if it doesn't, forget it.

Or have you an ulterior motive? Could it be that the "atheist" can't find God, for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman? Could it be that your love for sin is clouding your good judgment? If the Bible is true, and Jesus Christ has "abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel," then you owe it to yourself just to check it out. Here is how to do that:
TEST SIX
With a tender conscience,
check this list of the Ten Commandments:

1. Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength?
2. Have I made a god in my own image�a god to suit myself?
3. Have I ever used God's name in vain?
4. Have I kept the Sabbath holy?
5. Have I always honored my parents implicitly?
6. Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)?
7. Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)?
8. Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)?
9. Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)?
10. Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)?


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guiltyIf you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death."

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments. Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past. We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48), neither is our heart pure. On Judgment Day our transgressions will be evidence of our shame. Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2.000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us—"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God...as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell. Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath. Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down. Thank you for taking the time to read this booklet.
 

LA-girl

Well-known member
jesuschristschild said:
The banana -- the atheist's nightmare.

Note that the banana:

1. Is shaped for human hand
2. Has non-slip surface
3. Has outward indicators of inward content:
Green-too early,
Yellow-just right,
Black-too late.
4. Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5. Is perforated on wrapper
6. Bio-degradable wrapper
7. Is shaped for human mouth
8. Has a point at top for ease of entry
9. Is pleasing to taste buds
10. Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy

To say that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can.
.

Funny! I watched a video about this yesterday and I honestly believed it was supposed to be a JOKE! A silly joke I admit, but anyway here is the videoclip:



Still can't believe it was supposed to be taken seriously...
 

Quixote

Well-known member
You ask many questions and it would be to long to answer them all, yet I'll try to quickly address a couple of points. Not that I hope to convince anybody, but still, I'm willing to use a few minutes of my time for the cause of the enlightenment.. :)

jesuschristschild said:
The theory of evolution of the Coca Cola can.

Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola 12 fluid ounces."

Of course, my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.

Well if you could show the universe right after this "alternative big bang" consisted largely of aluminium, carbon molecules, water, and the correct ingredients for red paint.. I don't see the problem in admitting that a can of coke could form by chance. But that was not the case.

jesuschristschild said:
>The banana -- the atheist's nightmare.

>Note that the banana:

1. Is shaped for human hand
2. Has non-slip surface
3. Has outward indicators of inward content:
Green-too early,
Yellow-just right,
Black-too late.
4. Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5. Is perforated on wrapper
6. Bio-degradable wrapper
7. Is shaped for human mouth
8. Has a point at top for ease of entry
9. Is pleasing to taste buds
10. Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy

I call this "the atheist dream".. Religious theories making fun of themselves :) In any case, this is no proof of anything, if apes and men evolved on this planet..they are obviously suited to it.. it's the opposite way around. The human hand evolved in order to be able to effecively grab all sorts of elongated objects, including tree branches, stones, and..bananas :). You might want to at least concede it's a 50% probability issue..


jesuschristschild said:
EyeDid you know that the eye has 40,000,000 nerve endings, the focusing muscles move an estimated 100,000 times a day, and the retina contains 137,000,000 light sensitive cells?

Yes, indeed. And a snow flake is composed of a myriad of geometrically ordered minuscule crystals, and a grain of sand is made up of billions of atoms, each being an ordered system in itself.. But of course you would cite these as ulterior "proofs" of the existence of a supernatural being. That's because you start from the assumption that complexity by definition cannot happen by chance. Yet one very simple experiment can be done to show how this apparently obvious idea is in actuality completely wrong. I mentioned it in some other post a long while ago: Throw a dice, and record the number you get. Repeat twenty times, and record all the values you get. Write them on a piece of paper. What you will have now in front of you is a complex, ordered sequence of numbers that was extremely unlikely to occur by chance, almost impossible in fact, as the associated probability was less than one in 600 thousand billion. Yet it did happen..by chance!

This said, evolutionary theory does not say that human beings or animals, all their organs included, "popped up by pure chance". It says some extremely simple almost-alive particles formed by chance in a highly favourable environment. These were formed in such a way that they would naturally evolve, not quite by chance any more, but because their structure inplied that they would. It's like if an ice crystal happens by chance, and then it naturally gets larger as millions of other particles aggregate to it, creating in the end a snow flake assembled in a precise order that is determined by the position of atoms in the first crystal (I'm no expert of snow btw, but I mean it as a general example only). Or you could think of it as a very simple computer designed to increase its own complexity over time. It may be purposefully designed or may happen by chance, but once it's there, no wonder in its complexity becomes great over time.


jesuschristschild said:
Charles Darwin said,

"To suppose that the eye could have been formed by natural selection, seems I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

And he was wrong, so what? Charles Darwin was the father of evolutionary theory, he had the first intuition of it, but he was also a man of his time and made all sorts of mistakes. And most atheists or people accepting evolutionary theory wouldn't have the slightest problem with it. Just like I don't think any physicist would be bothered by the fact that Isaac Newton also tinkered with magic. Evolutionary theory does not *coincide* with the personal thoughts of anybody, least of all poor Darwin.

Same goes for Einstein. He also once said "God doesn't play die with reality" or something along those lines. It is a much quoted sentence of him. He was, however, not referring to religion, but to an argument he had been having with colleagues about some experiment on electrons spin properties and it's implications, which he thought was not possible. The experiment was successfully repeated however, and is now commonly reported in any physics textbook.

I could go on I suppose.. but it would be endless, so I'll stop it here, and let any intelligent reader figure out the rest and perhaps continue the job. :)
 

hamandcheese

Active member
Atheist Here!

Hi

Your post was huge so I didn't get a chance to read it all but I can't help responding to it, however briefly. I think Quixote answered everything though.

First of all Darwin and Einstein were both, and still are apparently, being misquoted about their belief in God. They had a belief in the God that they saw in nature and in things they didn't understand, they did not believe in a God the creator, well certainly Einstein. Darwin was Agnostic.

The design argument is ridiculous. The human eye is very complex, this is true, but belief in evolution does not preclude that it came about by chance. Rather that over generations the minor benefit to having more developed skin cells, evolved to the slightly bigger benefit of having a concave structure that the skin cells sat into, then that evolved to having skin cells more receptive to light and so on and so forth until you have the complex organ that is the eye, which evovled over a countless number of years.

At risk of sounding like Richard Dawkins promoting his book under a pseudonym, I suggest that you should read the God Delusion. Presumably you already have, since you're so eager to use the very examples from the "design" camps argument, which he rightfully exposes for the fiction they are.

I could write on because I am a staunch Atheist but I will leave it there. I'd suggest that you take a look at what the theory of evolution actually means. And by the way, there's no reson why it should interfere with your belief system to believe in rational, enlightened scientific thought.

Thanks
 

kable

New member
"The patient typically finds himself impelled by some deep, inner conviction that something is true, or right, or virtuous: a conviction that doesn't seem to owe anything to evidence or reason, but which, nevertheless, he feels as totally compelling and convincing. We doctors refer to such a belief as 'faith'."

-richard dawkins

i don't see how us atheists are so crazy to not believe.

someone comes up with this idea from no where of a supernatural being who created everything and we are crazy for it. after creating this idea they assign him various attributes that they would like him to have. he obviously has to be good. also he can selectively receive and answer prayers and perform miracles.

issues such as katrina, childhood leukemia, holocausts, crusades are to not be questioned as god has reasons for things and we don't know them. yet we know hes a good god and he has the capability to answer prayers.

can we just get some little hint that there actually is a god? then we might not be seen as so arrogant. i dont see why its so insane to believe that after death we will be just as we were before birth. no evidence to believe otherwise. it might make you feel better but that doesn't make it true.
 

LA-girl

Well-known member
kable said:
can we just get some little hint that there actually is a god? then we might not be seen as so arrogant. ... it might make you feel better but that doesn't make it true.

Kable,

First of all you are right, if us christians only 'believed' in God because it made us feel better, personal experiences or because some have been brought up that way, we would indeed not have a good case at all. Changed lives, miracles, people getting healed...All good, but many people would still crave for more satisfying arguments. But, and there is a big but...You see, God can not be proven by scientific testable methods and for some that is reason enough to just not bother to hear out the 'evidences' any further. God says ""And you will seek Me and find Me, when you search for Me with all your heart." (Jeremiah 29:13, NKJV). This means that unless we make an effort in seeking him we will not find Him. But if this statement is true, it means that God has promised that you will if you are just willing to spend the time it requires... The effort it takes in order to arrive to the place where you just know that He is real and that the Bible is not just some fairytale book without any substance or meaning. God does not only appeal to our feelings and our heart,but also to our mind. And if you are willing to spend some energy and time hearing out some of the 'evidences' you could start of by going to your local library or buy the book:
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Here you can buy it as an e-book + a brief description.
http://www.mobipocket.com/en/ebooks/bookdetails.asp?BookID=21335

Or you can start by reading these illustrated online booklets for free:
Is the Bible true?
Does God exist?
The Bible and archeology 1 & 2

You will find all four on this page:
http://home.no.net/laagirl/Bible/indexbible.html
(Just click ESC if you want to stop the midi-file)

I also have a video-clip I found a few days ago on Youtube. At least it has a few good points imo.
Jesus Christ -Fact or Fiction
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

Keep in mind though this is only a start... And even though you do not believe in him now, it would not hurt either to ask God to lead you and guide you to the truth and to Him if he exists...But it is only you and you alone who can make the decision to start this journey.

Feel free to PM me any time about this issue, and that goes for everyone who is reading this... :)

LA-girl
 

newbie-who

Member
I respect that people have strong Christian views and its good that their faith is working for them and it should be respected.
I think we all need to also remember that people have trust and faith in other belief and faith systems too such as various branches of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism;etc.

These belief systems have just as much a strong effect and importance to people as Christianity. I firmly believe in respecting diversity of difference in whatever form it takes.

This post doesnt mean that I dont respect Christian beliefs or Christian people and isnt meant to be confrontational in any way, so I don't want it to be taken in that way. I respect anyone and any beliefs they have or don't have and try to understand differences and find it unique, that as humans, we are all so ultimately diverse yet all so ultimately equal.
 

worryworry

Member
just as i respect christians, i expect they do so for me. i'm an atheist and i'm not ashamed nor proud of it. it's a fact. [/img]
 

newbie-who

Member
worryworry said:
just as i respect christians, i expect they do so for me. i'm an atheist and i'm not ashamed nor proud of it. it's a fact. [/img]

Good for you,

Well thats what my post meant - everyone is uniquely and ultimately different whatever they believe or not or whatever theyre proud of or respect or whatever is a fact to them.

My answer was just in response to the general idea of respecting each of our individuality and beliefs really - it wasnt a challenge for confrontation, its not my style.
 
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