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Old 03-17-2013  
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Some say that a life alone can be made very enjoyable and fulfilling if one is always looking for hobbies, taking up new interests, improving oneself, etc.

But there is a hiearchy of human needs, the most basic survival needs which are obviously food, water, shelter, etc. Above that, one of the core non-survival needs is social interaction. That is why SAD is one of the most disabling of all disorders (both physical and mental). It deprives many of us of what makes life more bearable, tolerable, pleasurable and meaningful.

An example can be found in video games. For those of you who are gamers, you will understand this analogy. A person who lives alone is like playing a single-player game. Sure it is fun, but once you complete it, no matter how good the single-player replayability is, it will not be as fun as the first time trying it. So we keep looking for new games, an addictive process that keeps us on a perpetual high state of stimulation and interest.

But the social person plays a different game- the multiplayer game. Almost every video game that has a multiplayer component (like Left 4 Dead, Battlefield, etc) outlives any singleplayer game in terms of replayability. Imagine if Left 4 Dead were only singleplayer, could you fathom yourself playing the same thing over and over for 1000 hours? Maybe you wouldn't get past 100 hours on doing it solo with AI-bots.

But Left 4 Dead and other multiplayer games like League Of Legends, where everyone mostly just plays the same map all the time, can occupy a gamer for hundreds or thousands of hours (seen a L4D2 gamer with 6300 recorded hours of gameplay) even though it is basically very repetitive, but because there is a social aspect to it, and every game you play with different people, each new person you meet a new experience to make friends, to try different strategies and employ new tactics.

That is what gives multiplayer games a very long lifespan. Look at Starcraft 1, a game that has existed for more than a decade, still going strong in tournaments, because the multiplayer keeps it alive and fresh. If Starcraft 1 had no multiplayer, there is no doubt its life would have fizzled out a long time ago.

Likewise, a non-social life that most of us lead, is like playing a singleplayer game. It gets really boring, no matter what the optimists say about it able to be as fulfilling as one with a social life. Because you cannot deny humans are social creatures and in pre-civilised times, no person could survive alone. Humans have almost no natural defences, are very delicately weak, and so we have become social creatures to increase our chances of survival in nature. Being social is at the core of being human. It is a natural instinct and behavior to want social contact.

A social person is playing a multiplayer game with his life. He might do the same thing (going out with friends, going on dates, etc) over and over for a lifetime, but he will never be truly bored, because he always has the chance to meet new people (as each person is a whole new experience and insight into different ways of living). He takes what would otherwise be boring to a non-social person, and makes it so that he derives greater enjoyment through social interaction and bonding.
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great analogy. Makes me think of the amount of hours I spent playing Super Smash Bros. with my sis. The single-player mode was so miserable and lonely XD
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I agree. But first I need to find a group of friends who are eclectic like me, share the same interests, and accept me for who I am.
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Whats odd to me is that one of my friends loved to play Halo multiplayer, I hated it with a passion.
He asked me why single player is fun to me, its the same thing over and over he said. I replied that to me, thats what multiplayer is, its a a team of 5, fighting a team of 5, on one of the same 4 maps over and over, singleplayer has the advantage because at least it has a plot.
Fitting with this analogy, he has a wife and a son, I am single and spend most of my time alone
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I'm very introverted. I'm a loner and most of the time I like it that way. Not always though. I get lonely too. A little affection might be nice but that's not going to happen. Might be nice to have a couple of friends I have some things in common with, but that's not likely either.

If you want a single-player game you won't get bored with, look for simulation games. The Sims 3 is awesome. Games like that are open-ended. You don't just beat the game. There are always new things you can do. You can live vicariously through your Sims if you want. I made a Sim version of myself. I made sure to chose the loner trait so she enjoys solitude and gets anxious with too many people around. And she became a mad scientist.
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Whats odd to me is that one of my friends loved to play Halo multiplayer, I hated it with a passion.
He asked me why single player is fun to me, its the same thing over and over he said. I replied that to me, thats what multiplayer is, its a a team of 5, fighting a team of 5, on one of the same 4 maps over and over, singleplayer has the advantage because at least it has a plot.
Fitting with this analogy, he has a wife and a son, I am single and spend most of my time alone
Yes I prefer singleplayer too. Because few games do well at multiplayer (especially those that also include single player). I also do not like most multiplayer communities which are very rude and harsh to newbies, and too competitive which frustrates me when I get scolded for every little mistake. I tend to buy single-player only games unless it's MMORPGs like Guild Wars 2, etc.
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I'm very introverted. I'm a loner and most of the time I like it that way. Not always though. I get lonely too. A little affection might be nice but that's not going to happen. Might be nice to have a couple of friends I have some things in common with, but that's not likely either.

If you want a single-player game you won't get bored with, look for simulation games. The Sims 3 is awesome. Games like that are open-ended. You don't just beat the game. There are always new things you can do. You can live vicariously through your Sims if you want. I made a Sim version of myself. I made sure to chose the loner trait so she enjoys solitude and gets anxious with too many people around. And she became a mad scientist.
I have Sims 3 on Steam, but it can still get lonely. I wish other homes in Sims 3 were actually filled with real players' sims instead of just AI bots.
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Not that I'm a regular or a next generation gamer but my best, fun and enjoyable memories came when I was a kid playing on our Sega Mega Drive/Playstation one with my brothers which inevitably ended up with my slamming the control and storming out after being beaten on FIFA and taunted of the loss lol but I WISH if I could play with others as I play on my PS2 when I do on my own. If I had a next-gen console, I would definitely take advantage and play online. Not for a social reason as such but for selfish reasons of not playig the CPU all the time.
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Old 03-17-2013  
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I used to prefer singleplayer games because my connection was a bit unstable.

Nowadays I have the same preference but other reasons to prefer singleplayer. One is the fact that my computer isn't very powerful any more to run games like GW2 well enough (I get like 50 fps in the lowest settings possible). The other is that I find it hard to believe I'll ever feel as part of a community and find communities as good as those I had back when I played World of Warcraft. I'm talking about two specific guilds I belonged to at around the same time. One of them had most of its (few) members migrate and I ended up all alone. The other one is still around but it got tons of new members and most of the old ones already left, the ones that haven't probably don't remember me any more.

I think I started getting my avoidant personality at around the same time that I started caring less about the social side of multiplayer games, which was a bit after the essence of those communities disappeared. I just feel like I'll never find an online place where I'll feel the same way again, so when I play a multiplayer game I play it as if it were a singleplayer one and avoid interaction with other players as much as possible.
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Nice comparison! I've been level one for 27 years.
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Old 03-17-2013  
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This is it... the ultimate single player game of life John Conway's Game of Life
(if you don't have java John Conway's Game of Life)

with which, given enough time and forethought, you can play any single, two or multiplayer game that has ever existed or ever will.
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Old 03-21-2013  
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Any hobby with a social aspect always sustains the interest longer than doing it alone. I always get bored of hobbies and things that I do alone, so always finding new things to do and never sticking with one interest, while others can do the same thing with friends for years and never get bored of it.
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That's a nice analogy Ashiene. I used to be scared of playing multiplayer games such as Team Fortress 2 because I was scared I would let the team down, representative of rejection, criticism and guilt in real life. Fortunately, my thoughts were incorrect and I realized how stupid I was to think that. I play TF2 on a regular basis now. That's not to say I'm a social person because I'm not.
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I like this an analogy.

And also with this, you are forced to really play single player games, which I have done a lot. It's even hard to find someone to just play a videogame with. Let alone someone to play 'life' with. :-(
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That's a nice analogy Ashiene. I used to be scared of playing multiplayer games such as Team Fortress 2 because I was scared I would let the team down, representative of rejection, criticism and guilt in real life. Fortunately, my thoughts were incorrect and I realized how stupid I was to think that. I play TF2 on a regular basis now. That's not to say I'm a social person because I'm not.
Fortunately TF2 has a better than average community. Wait til you try the League Of Legends community. It doesn't matter which region version you play, because LOL's community is voted the worst or one of the worst in online multiplayer. Even though I like that game very much, I had to force myself to abstain from it. Because the cruel community has triggered countless anxiety attacks and relapses and it is too stressful.
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Makes mistake.

Tries to load last save....

(When you know you are playing games too much!)
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Best thread of the year!

Didn't expect video games after reading the title.

Good way to put it.

It's important to keep an eye on more that just your birthday. What happened long before you were born, the day you were alive, and what's happened since.
That's my opinion.

I branch into trivial matters of my love for video games and movies in my pre-teen and schooldays. Separate from any parents' interests, with a 50-year gap, essentially living a life by myself, hand-in-hand with a scrict medical ban on playing contact sports. I sometimes yearn to resume my previous life in two-dimensional games which was more than enough for me for entertainment. The memories of such images from games are potent. The progress into glossed-over first-person games with the gun barrel in front of you made their very first prelude, eg. Doom when I started my degree and the programming people on our course has made life so easy to produce games.

I like simple old platform games, or seen as a map from above, moving fwd, back, left or right. Driving around a racetrack, or etc. A different way of playing, where vertices, polygons, used it the game Elite, and so many others, taking so long to redraw the scene in front of you. Now we have pin-sharp graphical movements available, equivalent of moving the neck up/down/left/right or your eyes in the same ways. I can't take these games seriously any more. I'm surprised I don't enjoy it. As if we had theatre and paintings in galleries; now we have photography and movie-making in colour.
A tech extension in culture, where some might prefer the old methods, such as progressing from horse to car.
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Makes mistake.

Tries to load last save....

(When you know you are playing games too much!)
and I think it might be the main horror of life, that too many are deeply addicted to TV, where from birth everyone was told to show a wide beaming smile, do a little dance & blow a kiss. There's no reality any more. Make-up. Be good. Be nice. Everything's perfect. One crime I'd like to cite is SALES! STOP just doing what you're told to line the corporate pockets. Make your own rational decisions. Don't just buy the newest, the best, prettiest things you can get today! It may be difficult to turn the other way, but the food, clothes, cars... there are choices - between just the cheapest or most expensive. Options

Make your own food, clothes, and cars. Others will buy
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Old 03-22-2013  
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well, I want to go back to title screen and choose another main character. The rest of the party is fine.

I'd rather choose a scenario with less NPCs too.
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Old 03-24-2013  
 

Nice analogy.

I'm more of the SP guy too.

Too bad that life is not exactly a SP only experience. We're forced to co-op to achieve goals.

Like you said, we can play the same thing over and over or find new experiences. But if we want to fully unlock all the achievements, we'd need to play the MP aspect sometime along the road.


I find funny how this SA affects us even in virtual worlds. I wanted to buy Natural Selection 2 'cause I heard it was great. But I also heard the community is pretty rough with newbies. I wouldn't want to dissapoint my team.
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