thinking about thinking=help me Please!!!

damndamnboi

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I have been diagnoised Ocd 2 years ago for recurrent washing of hands and taking showers. The compulsions dropped to acceptable level after some time. But after that i stopped my medication(prozac), and at the start of this year, i start to have obsessions instead of compulsions. So i went to see the psychiatrist and resumed my medication. I was diagnoised to have pure-O and depression. It was march then. My obsessions never disappear after like one month, instead, it seems to be keep evolving. Later on, my obsessions start to affect my relationship with my girlfriend. I find that i cant talk to her because obsessions are going up in my mind. I was put in a psychiatric ward for 3 weeks but after that my obsessions still carry on. I missed school for three weeks. During the three weeks, i tried to talk to people, my girlfriend came to visit me at the ward. I really appreciate their support, but my obsessions seem to be just creating a wall between me and anyone else, specially my girlfriend. Later on, when i went back to school, i find that staying in the ward actually did not help, but increased my obsessions. I just cant stand my every hour after that. I cant concentrate on school work, i cant hear what the teacher was talking about in lectures, i cant read my notes, i cant read words on the board, on the computer and i cant talk to my teachers and friends. So one days i decieded to inflict pain to myself to stop those obsessions. I cut my wrist and was sent to the hospital. In retrospect, it seems like the obsessions were at its minimum at the moment i hold the pen knife strike it accross my wrist. i felt a moment of relief at that instance, but once i wake up in the hospital and see the doctor, psychiatrist, parents, sister and friends. My obsessions come again, even more this time. I was terrified and depressed. When the psychiatrist asked me what was bothering me, i was only able to say obsessions. I refrained myself from looking into the psychiatrists's eye when he talk to me. In fact i cant look at anyone while talking to them. While i was answering wad the psychiatrist asked me, the obsessions continue in my mind as if i was talking separately to myself in my mind. Of course i never hear any physical voices when i am alone, so the psychiatrist eliminated the possibility that i was having schizophrenia or psychosis.
Following that, i continue my appointments with psychiatrists in another hospital and things just never turn well, i still cant concentrate on anything when i want to concentrate on them. I cant even concentrate on talking to people when people are talking to me(either directly, through the phone, sms and even msn. They are all because of my obsessions, and i cant stop them. Sometimes i even find great difficulty communicating my problems to the psychiatrists. I find that i am always missing out important things that i should have talked about with the psychiatrist after each appointment. I just feel more and more depressed and the obessions are getting more and more severe. I paused for minutes while talking to my girlfriend on the phone becoz i am obsessed with my obsessions. I try to tell my girlfriend what are my worries, but it just didn't allow me to communciate with her without the obsessions. So everytime i called her, she talks to me and i reply nothing. Absolutely nothing. So eventually she broke up with me and i feel even more depressed. I cant to school, i cant attend examinations and now i cant even wake up in the morning. Typing this post was actually such a tedious task that i actually took the entire morning to write it. I was relieved at this moment that i was able to type out the above, but now i am worried i cant continue typing this post. I just feel like dying everyday with those obsessions and depressed feelings. i can talk to no one except for myself.
My psychiatrist told me in my last appointment not to care about whats going up in my mind, but it just does not seem to work, i cant concentrate, i cant talk to people without thinking about those obsessions and i am depressed every morning afternoon and night. So i really wish if anyone can tell me whether they have the same obsessions as me and whether anyone can give me some help.
The obsessions that i am having basically are as follow: i always want to find out and organize my thoughts. I always try to think how thoughts come about in my head and i am always worried that they wouldn’t come since the psychiatrist told me that it was an "automatic reflex process" While performing tasks such as school work, i will think about what i am thinking everysecond. I am distressed with my previous thoughts, on going thoughts and worry whether they are going to continue to the future. i tried to identify those thoughts but in the end it seems like those thoughts are the thoughts of identfiying the preceived irriatating thoughts. INspite of this, i still cant stop obessions. I am unhappy with my on going thought every second, becoz they are basically nothing or sometimes i tell my psychiatrist, a blank screen is in my head. The existence of this blank screen means alot to me, it means more useful thoughts are barked from entering my mind becoz the blank screen occpies part of my congative ability. Every second that pass, i am obsessed with the "nothing" and my worries of the potential thoughts i have missed increases expotentially. Subsequently, i feel more and more depressed to the point i will simply want to fall asleep. But when i go to bed and take a rest, i find that i cant even sleep! My anxiety level increase expotentially in the process. The only moment that i find myself relieved of all this is when i am really asleep, but this can only be experienced in my memories since if you are really asleep, you wont be able to yourself you are not having those thoughts at that moment becoz if you are able to tell yourself that, you are not asleep, and you are infact obsessing. In fact i always tell myself while i am obsessing, if you are really not obsessing you wont know it becoz if you know it, you are conscious of what are the thoughts in your mind, and again the obsessions come back again. In my own opinion, i think my obsessions are basically meta thoughts going on in my mind; eg. thinking about what i have thought, what i should think, what i cant stop thinking, what i am going to think in the future and what i am thinking at the moment. Infact i will never be able to attain my precieved goal of having non-obsessing periods in which i am conscious that they exist. Because if i am conscious that they exist, i am again thinking what i am thinking, and i am in actual fact obsessing again. The circle goes round and round, life seems hopeless...
 

spurs

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i hate to sound trite but...have you ever tried meditation...it can be an extremely effective tool for calming down the mind and stopping destructive thinking...it takes practice and dedication but once you get the hang of it your mind will become completely still and calm...the goal is to get to a place in your mind where you're not thinking...if you can take some meditation classes i think it would help you...sorry if this doesn't help...i don't mean to sound patronising or anything
 

damndamnboi

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Do you mean talk therapy with a psychologist. Not sure what meditation refers to. Is it somekind of mind clearning thing?
 

damndamnboi

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Actually i tried to play computer games for a long period of time as instructed by the psychiatrist. She told me to do something i like to do. So i asked myself what i liked. The process of coming up with that answer was vigorous itself. I will have a whole lot of a debate on whether i like computer games or it just happens that the word computer game has popped in due to what i am thinking.
When i go on to play the computer game, i will ask myself whether i am really playing the game, whether i have played enough, what will happen after i finished playing and whether i will be able to clear those obsessions by playing computer games.
Anywayz thanks alot for the reply, it must have been tough for you to read my entire post i guess=).
 

Anonymous

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damndamnboi said:
Actually i tried to play computer games for a long period of time as instructed by the psychiatrist. She told me to do something i like to do. So i asked myself what i liked. The process of coming up with that answer was vigorous itself. I will have a whole lot of a debate on whether i like computer games or it just happens that the word computer game has popped in due to what i am thinking.
When i go on to play the computer game, i will ask myself whether i am really playing the game, whether i have played enough, what will happen after i finished playing and whether i will be able to clear those obsessions by playing computer games.
Anywayz thanks alot for the reply, it must have been tough for you to read my entire post i guess=).

I try doing things i like to stop myself ruminating but my ocd tends to try to take it away from me. I have obsessions and compulsions and ive already had to stop reading for enjoyment because of having to reread stuff all the time. If an obsessions drops in my head when im doing something i like i have to repeat the last action i took over and over again. Ie with cross stitch i have to stop to touch each stitch a certain number of times or put the needle in and out of the aida to cancel out my feelings of dread. Either that or i just cant concentrate because im ruminating about something else entirely.

I find the more i try to over ride my complusions the more i create yet more compulsions to over ride the other ones. On saying that if i went with every compulsion i have id never get anything done. I have to over ride some of them, but that leaves me in a constant state of anxiety as a result and sooner or later i get stuck on something or create an entierly new obsession or compulsion to deal with. The more i try to control the thoughts, the more they come back. The more i try to ignore them the more they pervade my consciousness. The more i try to accept them the more fear i start feeling as though im taking a chance or tempting fate by doing so.

Over the years its got gradually worse and now my whole life it built around it. If you find the trick to control it, let me know.
 

spurs

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damndamnboi said:
Do you mean talk therapy with a psychologist. Not sure what meditation refers to. Is it somekind of mind clearning thing?
no it's not talk therapy.
Meditation is the practice of focusing the mind. so yes it's like a technique for clearing the mind.
studies have shown it to rewire the circuitry of the brain, and to significantly decrease stress levels with regular practice.
i suggest you do some research about it on the net. it may sound wierd to you if you've never heard of it before, but it's helped me with my own issues - though it does take dedication; you have to practice it regularly and it may take a while to do it properly but i think it could really help you.
I know what it's like to want to escape your own mind and in a sense that's what mediation does- allows you to just let go of your thoughts. you go to a place in your mind where you're completely calm and peaceful - doesn't that sound like bliss?
If you live in a big city there would definitely be classes that would teach you how to start and then after awhile you can do it on your own.
even if it's hard at first persevere with it cause it does help.
 

Anonymous

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Your thoughts are beautiful

Your thoughts are beautiful my friend, and it is quite a miracle that a mind is capable of such wonders. honestly.

This is a thought that I use (and believe) when I dread my own thoughts.

I also sometimes speak my thoughts to myself outload (when I'm sure nobody can hear me). I do this pretending I'm an actor, acting out different charecters that are all saying my own thoughts. This helps me feel alot better about them.

I wonder if you are able to identify the situations that cause you to these obssessions?

My psycologist also highly recommended I did meditation ("Vipasana") but I havn't tried that yet.

Best of luck,
Mingi
 
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